Global Warming?

[patrick_g]

There is more to consider besides is there climate change and is it at least partly caused by man. Ask if climate change is good or bad and how much so. Ask if we can do anything about it in either case. What and how?

So if enough ice melts we loose New Orleans, huh? Well every dark cloud does have a silver lining.

The 1000 ft contour meanders through my gently rolling property. Give me a shout when the water is passing 800ft.

Pat

 

[Short Game]

Give me a shout when the water is passing 800ft.

Pat

From here, maybe a gurgle.

 

[rsewill]

It may be that the Gulf Stream will stop flowing because of global warming and then we'll have another ice age.

 

[newbury]

It's just about happened, google Gulf stream shutdown. But that only mainly affects Europe.

 

[patrick_g]

New study lowers estimate of ancient sea-level rise

Posted: 14 Mar 2012 11:28 AM PDT

The seas are creeping higher as the planet warms. But how high will they go? In Bermuda and the Bahamas, researchers have gone looking for answers; By pinpointing where shorelines stood during a warm period 400,000 years ago, they hope to narrow the range of projections. After correcting for apparent sinking of the islands, the authors of a new study estimate the seas rose 20 to 43 feet higher than today -- far less than previous estimates, but still drastic.

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Oh great! The beach will be under water, just not as much as previously thought. A lot of folks who wanted but couldn't get waterfront property will get their wishes granted retroactively.

Millions of Americans at risk of flooding as sea levels rise

Posted: 14 Mar 2012 08:17 AM PDT

Nearly four million Americans, occupying a combined area larger than the state of Maryland, find themselves at risk of severe flooding as sea levels rise in the coming century, new research suggests. Researchers say that with so many communities concentrated on US coasts, the odds for major storm damage get bigger every year.

 

[SPYDERLK]

The kicker is whether anything humans do or have done is affecting that climate. Given the size of the earth and its atmosphere, it just doesn't seem that likely. I have not seen any evidence I find convincing yet, but I continue to look.

Note balance, leverage, catalysis, avalanche effects, etc. It is certainly possible that humanity in its semi random flailing will operate a lever.
larry

 

[Short Game]

Note balance, leverage, catalysis, avalanche effects, etc. It is certainly possible that humanity in its semi random flailing will operate a lever.
larry

Isn't it possible that we could screw up and do something right? After all, they say that all that particulate we put up in the air is slowing the warming way down.

 

[patrick_g]

Isn't it possible that we could screw up and do something right? After all, they say that all that particulate we put up in the air is slowing the warming way down.

Yes it is! ...and a bunch of monkeys pounding at random can theoretically type out the entire collected works of Shakespeare but it is highly unlikely!

Entropy is a universal inescapable fact. Avoiding it successfully for a significant period of time due to lucky random processes is less likely than being invited out for drinks by the tooth fairy, Santa and his elves, and 100 Hollywood starlets all in one night.

Pat

 

[tcreeley]

It's just about happened, google Gulf stream shutdown. But that only mainly affects Europe.

And southern New England, Maine, NS,PEI,Canada north to Greenland!
The gulfstream affects these places to a degree before it heads across the Atlantic- though less than Europe.

 

[Short Game]

Yes it is! ...and a bunch of monkeys pounding at random can theoretically type out the entire collected works of Shakespeare but it is highly unlikely!

Entropy is a universal inescapable fact. Avoiding it successfully for a significant period of time due to lucky random processes is less likely than being invited out for drinks by the tooth fairy, Santa and his elves, and 100 Hollywood starlets all in one night.

Pat

Oh ye of little faith.

Oh yeah, I'm the guy who started the thread: It's All Downhill From Here.

Actually, I believe that entropy might be the case in physical systems, when viewed apart from the whole. I mean, once the ethers spin up and form into strings, and these, on to quarks and such, there will be limits within each semi-independent system of motion, but the forces behind universal motions are not necessarily subject to entropy. In fact, I'd bet against it. As for the system known as, "planet earth," we in a heap of doo doo.