Buying Advice ck30 hst or kubota b3300su

[art]

The other thing with large loads like a tree they are normally not in the bucket but in front of the bucket.
We often find that the additional leverage added by the distance in front of the loader like a round bale that only weighs in at 1,000 lbs can't be lifted with a tractor that is supposed to lift 1200! That four foot in front of the loader is a problem same as a pallet of wood pellets or feed.

 

[art]

I too started off looking at the BX series but quickly decided it was way too small and light for the work I was planning, mainly a lot of ground engaging. Loader ,Box blade , back blade, york rake, and backhoe.
I moved up to the Mahindras and Kiotis in 20hp. Similiar specs for weight, loader lift and 3pt lift capacities. It's important to remember if your doing any dirt and loader work, the heavier the tractor the more work it can do and do safer. Loaded tires are also a must on the back even if using a weight box or implement on the back. Even with loaded tires my CK20HST loader will lift the backend with out extra weight.
The Kioti's and Mahindra's are all cast iron frames and axles, cast iron is heavier and also much tougher and more durable than aluminum. Last time I looked many of the Kubotas rearends and axles were aluminum(take a magnet with you and test) in the same HP ranges.
I have 1.7 A. and another lot of 1.6A. while the CK20 has done almost everthing I asked it to and then some, ten or fifteen HP would be real nice when blowing or plowing snow, and bushogging. The footprint isn't that much bigger for the CK30-35 than the CK20.
Still with over 1000hrs, I probably have dug and moved several thousand yards of dirt, only routine maintenance, and the only broken parts I did(a hydralic line on a fence post, a hydralic filter on a tree stump, and the front headlights from a close encounter with a dumpster.)
There both good tractors, but for the dirt work, warranty, and price, you can't go wrong with the Kioti.

Joe, you should look at the deere tractors, and others, not compacts but 150 and 200 plus horsepower tractors! It's not to uncommon now with the newer metals and designs that aluminum is stronger and more consistant then cast iron. This helps keep better wear relationships of shafts to the gears in transmissions and normally they are supported by some frame that is not made out of a casting.
If cast steel is so strong why am I removing a cast crank out of an engine and installing a forged crank when the cast showed to be flexing to much by bearing wear?

Many castings of iron mean that to the same job they have to carry more weight to absorb the same shock loads as well as carry the same loads as stronger types of metal can do with far less.

The larger cast iron castings are cheaper to make then by using better grades of steel or aluminum. This often means that little thought goes into the balance of a tractor and it's operation as we are going to be heavier, we must be better! The next time a Sumo wrestler wins a 5 K let me know!

 

[grampastractor]

The Kubota B3300SU has a 67" wheelbase, 6" longer wheelbase than Deere equivalents. I do not know Kioti wheelbase length relative to B3300SU. Perhaps due to 67" wheelbase I can readily and safely move a full bucket of Florida sandy loam with only air in the tires and no implement/counterbalance on the 3-point of the B3300SU.
With Oak sections, right at 750 pound lift capacity of bucket, without the chipper the rear wants to lift instead of the bucket and Oak trunk section coming up. To be safe, whenever the rear even begins to feel light I fire up the Husqvarna 460 chainsaw and halve the Oak section or I go for the chipper as counterbalance. SAFETY FIRST.

jeff9366

I think the kioti wheelbase is about 66".
I like the idea of a counterbalance on the 3 pth so that the weight pivots more on the heavy rear axle and unloads some of the weight on the lighter front end. Something that loading the tires does not help with, not that loaded tires do not have other advantages.
Thanks Jeff, practical exprience helps.
Don

 

[grampastractor]

Thanks everyone for all your help. We ordered a Kioti ck30hst this afternoon, should get it Wednesday afternoon.
Thanks again
Don

 

[k0ua]

Thanks everyone for all your help. We ordered a Kioti ck30hst this afternoon, should get it Wednesday afternoon.
Thanks again
Don

Welcome to the pack! ( I think I can do that, tho I don't have mine yet!) Hopefully this week. Still waiting on the sunshade. The wait is not much fun

James K0UA

 

[grampastractor]

Welcome to the pack! ( I think I can do that, tho I don't have mine yet!) Hopefully this week. Still waiting on the sunshade. The wait is not much fun

James K0UA

Thanks James, where can you be found on 20? I'll give a yell one of these nights.
Don
va3any

 

[k0ua]

Thanks James, where can you be found on 20? I'll give a yell one of these nights.
Don
va3any

I usually hang from 14.150 up to 14.200.. but we would need a schedule.

James k0UA