Buying Advice ck30 hst or kubota b3300su

[jeff9366]

I was working with the Bucket Spade today.

Photo #1 shows Crescent Wrench on bucket clamp, ready to tighten. Bolt threads are fine; you can get it amply TIGHT without much effort.

The long-handled garden spade in photo #2 is also in photo #4, vertically to provide scale. Which of the two spades will prepare a hole with LESS EFFORT?

Pictured excavation took two minutes in sandy Florida loam laced with wild grape vines.

After some practice you know by instinct where the bucket spade is, even though you may not be able to see it on the other side of the bucket or deep in a hole.

jeff9366

 

[grampastractor]

I was working with the Bucket Spade today.

Photo #1 shows Crescent Wrench on bucket clamp, ready to tighten. Bolt threads are fine; you can get it amply TIGHT without much effort.

The long-handled garden spade in photo #2 is also in photo #4, vertically to provide scale. Which of the two spades will prepare a hole with LESS EFFORT?

Pictured excavation took two minutes in sandy Florida loam laced with wild grape vines.

After some practice you know by instinct where the bucket spade is, even though you may not be able to see it on the other side of the bucket or deep in a hole.

jeff9366

Wow, I have to get one of those. The property that we bought was a garden centre/ nursery, hundreds of small trees and bushes to be moved. I rented a skidsteer with a tree spade for the large trees and have been using a spade moving the smaller stuff, still have hundreds to go. Something like that would save alot of work and time not to mention it would be a good excuse to use the tractor.
Thanks
Don

 

[art]

One thing to consider is the Kubota is 1/4 inching 3pt valve, the Kioti is position control..a superior system.. It will stay where you leave it. The 1/4 inching will require periodic adjustment as you work over time.. In other words if you mow for an hour the hitch on the Kubota will sink slowly over time the Kioti will not. The Kioti has a feedback mechanism so that as the hitch slowly starts to sink it automaticly re adjusts it self. If you boxblade for a while you will have to readjust the kubota height once in a while.. It is not the end of the world but the Position control is a more expensive and more advanced system.. good luck in which ever you choose.

James K0UA

HUH! SINK????????????????where did you get that info?????????????????

 

[k0ua]

HUH! SINK????????????????where did you get that info?????????????????

I owned one. If yours does not sink over time (15 20 minutes) then your valve/cylinder was/is in better shape than the one I used to have.. Ask anyone else that has a 1/4 inching system if they don't have to adjust when mowing about every 15 or 20 minutes.. In blading you might never notice as you would make adjustments normaly anyway before it would ever sink. But with a heavy rotary cutter on the back.. that thing will sink for sure.


James K0UA

 

[art]

I just picked up a dk35. I too was originally looking at the 3300su then realized for about a grand more could go to the L3800 then realized I could have a grand L except made by kioti. I'm very happy with my dk and I think you would be to. The position control is awesome and the standard features would add 2k or more to a comparable orange tractor

dk-35 equal to a grand L???? Maybe the old model before hydro plus.

 

[art]

Thanks everyone, here is what I have learned from you so far.
Kioti and Kubota have more than enough HP for my needs. CK series has better hydraulic pump, is much heavier, 3 pth lifting stronger, has position control, 3 cylinder engine ( more like the kubota L series), 4 year warranty vs 2 year, extra features and options like cruise control and mid pto.
We have a number of dealers for both brands close by. I like the Kubota dealer in town here better but the others seem ok. Kubota resale value is very high here. They say kioti resale is good but I have not seen many for sale.
Kubota is lighter, may be easier on the lawn while mowing.
I will have a lot of loader work this year so the extra weight of the kioti may help.
Looks like the kioti is ahead in specs. The 3pth and rear axle on the kioti looks so much better than the b3300su, more like the L series, but the kubota dealer said they have never had a failure with these so maybe that is not an issue.
I am leaning to the Kioti but I sure love the looks of the kubota.
I can test drive the kioti but the kubota is not in stock at my dealer.
Did I miss anything?
Thanks for your help
Don

So with the bigger hydraulic's it must move the loader a lot faster as well?
Kubota is three years on engine and drivetrain warrantee. But then again Product reliability is what has made Kubota what it is.

 

[art]

I owned one. If yours does not sink over time (15 20 minutes) then your valve/cylinder was/is in better shape than the one I used to have.. Ask anyone else that has a 1/4 inching system if they don't have to adjust when mowing about every 15 or 20 minutes.. In blading you might never notice as you would make adjustments normaly anyway before it would ever sink. But with a heavy rotary cutter on the back.. that thing will sink for sure.


James K0UA

Every kubota with a mid deck has a set for holding the mower at a set height that I know of.


Still never seen an issue there.

 

[k0ua]

dk-35 equal to a grand L???? Maybe the old model before hydro plus.

Agreed, no HST+ but all other upscale features are there. Kubota has a lock on the HST+ in this size range at this time. Although others have some of those features. JD, CNH

James K0UA

 

[joe48]

We started off looking at the bx25 with a quote of 17500, which is the price range we had targeted. However we thought it may be a little small for the 5' rototiller and 6' finish mower, we have a 5' bush hog that will be used once in awhile.
I never operated it so I don't know for sure if it would be big enough.
I agree that we could go smaller but there is not much savings in the kioti line until the ck20, which may be a little small.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Don
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I too started off looking at the BX series but quickly decided it was way too small and light for the work I was planning, mainly a lot of ground engaging. Loader ,Box blade , back blade, york rake, and backhoe.
I moved up to the Mahindras and Kiotis in 20hp. Similiar specs for weight, loader lift and 3pt lift capacities. It's important to remember if your doing any dirt and loader work, the heavier the tractor the more work it can do and do safer. Loaded tires are also a must on the back even if using a weight box or implement on the back. Even with loaded tires my CK20HST loader will lift the backend with out extra weight.
The Kioti's and Mahindra's are all cast iron frames and axles, cast iron is heavier and also much tougher and more durable than aluminum. Last time I looked many of the Kubotas rearends and axles were aluminum(take a magnet with you and test) in the same HP ranges.
I have 1.7 A. and another lot of 1.6A. while the CK20 has done almost everthing I asked it to and then some, ten or fifteen HP would be real nice when blowing or plowing snow, and bushogging. The footprint isn't that much bigger for the CK30-35 than the CK20.
Still with over 1000hrs, I probably have dug and moved several thousand yards of dirt, only routine maintenance, and the only broken parts I did(a hydralic line on a fence post, a hydralic filter on a tree stump, and the front headlights from a close encounter with a dumpster.)
There both good tractors, but for the dirt work, warranty, and price, you can't go wrong with the Kioti.

 

[jeff9366]

The Kubota B3300SU has a 67" wheelbase, 6" longer wheelbase than Deere equivalents. I do not know Kioti wheelbase length relative to B3300SU. Perhaps due to 67" wheelbase I can readily and safely move a full bucket of Florida sandy loam with only air in the tires and no implement/counterbalance on the 3-point of the B3300SU.

Now OAK TRUNK SECTIONS, being transported to burn pile when secured to the bucket grab hooks with 5/16" chain, are a different situation. When moving tree sections I usually have my Wallenstein BX42 chipper on the rear......425 pounds. In B3300SU manual Kubota recommends 500 pounds on the rear when using FEL.

With Oak sections, right at 750 pound lift capacity of bucket, without the chipper the rear wants to lift instead of the bucket and Oak trunk section coming up. To be safe, whenever the rear even begins to feel light I fire up the Husqvarna 460 chainsaw and halve the Oak section or I go for the chipper as counterbalance. SAFETY FIRST.

jeff9366

 

[art]

The other thing with large loads like a tree they are normally not in the bucket but in front of the bucket.
We often find that the additional leverage added by the distance in front of the loader like a round bale that only weighs in at 1,000 lbs can't be lifted with a tractor that is supposed to lift 1200! That four foot in front of the loader is a problem same as a pallet of wood pellets or feed.

 

[art]

I too started off looking at the BX series but quickly decided it was way too small and light for the work I was planning, mainly a lot of ground engaging. Loader ,Box blade , back blade, york rake, and backhoe.
I moved up to the Mahindras and Kiotis in 20hp. Similiar specs for weight, loader lift and 3pt lift capacities. It's important to remember if your doing any dirt and loader work, the heavier the tractor the more work it can do and do safer. Loaded tires are also a must on the back even if using a weight box or implement on the back. Even with loaded tires my CK20HST loader will lift the backend with out extra weight.
The Kioti's and Mahindra's are all cast iron frames and axles, cast iron is heavier and also much tougher and more durable than aluminum. Last time I looked many of the Kubotas rearends and axles were aluminum(take a magnet with you and test) in the same HP ranges.
I have 1.7 A. and another lot of 1.6A. while the CK20 has done almost everthing I asked it to and then some, ten or fifteen HP would be real nice when blowing or plowing snow, and bushogging. The footprint isn't that much bigger for the CK30-35 than the CK20.
Still with over 1000hrs, I probably have dug and moved several thousand yards of dirt, only routine maintenance, and the only broken parts I did(a hydralic line on a fence post, a hydralic filter on a tree stump, and the front headlights from a close encounter with a dumpster.)
There both good tractors, but for the dirt work, warranty, and price, you can't go wrong with the Kioti.

Joe, you should look at the deere tractors, and others, not compacts but 150 and 200 plus horsepower tractors! It's not to uncommon now with the newer metals and designs that aluminum is stronger and more consistant then cast iron. This helps keep better wear relationships of shafts to the gears in transmissions and normally they are supported by some frame that is not made out of a casting.
If cast steel is so strong why am I removing a cast crank out of an engine and installing a forged crank when the cast showed to be flexing to much by bearing wear?

Many castings of iron mean that to the same job they have to carry more weight to absorb the same shock loads as well as carry the same loads as stronger types of metal can do with far less.

The larger cast iron castings are cheaper to make then by using better grades of steel or aluminum. This often means that little thought goes into the balance of a tractor and it's operation as we are going to be heavier, we must be better! The next time a Sumo wrestler wins a 5 K let me know!

 

[grampastractor]

The Kubota B3300SU has a 67" wheelbase, 6" longer wheelbase than Deere equivalents. I do not know Kioti wheelbase length relative to B3300SU. Perhaps due to 67" wheelbase I can readily and safely move a full bucket of Florida sandy loam with only air in the tires and no implement/counterbalance on the 3-point of the B3300SU.
With Oak sections, right at 750 pound lift capacity of bucket, without the chipper the rear wants to lift instead of the bucket and Oak trunk section coming up. To be safe, whenever the rear even begins to feel light I fire up the Husqvarna 460 chainsaw and halve the Oak section or I go for the chipper as counterbalance. SAFETY FIRST.

jeff9366

I think the kioti wheelbase is about 66".
I like the idea of a counterbalance on the 3 pth so that the weight pivots more on the heavy rear axle and unloads some of the weight on the lighter front end. Something that loading the tires does not help with, not that loaded tires do not have other advantages.
Thanks Jeff, practical exprience helps.
Don

 

[grampastractor]

Thanks everyone for all your help. We ordered a Kioti ck30hst this afternoon, should get it Wednesday afternoon.
Thanks again
Don

 

[k0ua]

Thanks everyone for all your help. We ordered a Kioti ck30hst this afternoon, should get it Wednesday afternoon.
Thanks again
Don

Welcome to the pack! ( I think I can do that, tho I don't have mine yet!) Hopefully this week. Still waiting on the sunshade. The wait is not much fun

James K0UA

 

[grampastractor]

Welcome to the pack! ( I think I can do that, tho I don't have mine yet!) Hopefully this week. Still waiting on the sunshade. The wait is not much fun

James K0UA

Thanks James, where can you be found on 20? I'll give a yell one of these nights.
Don
va3any

 

[k0ua]

Thanks James, where can you be found on 20? I'll give a yell one of these nights.
Don
va3any

I usually hang from 14.150 up to 14.200.. but we would need a schedule.

James k0UA