What is an "upcharge" on an oil change?

[LD1]

Some people just can't move past with 3000 miles oil changes that went by the wayside in the late 1980's for gasoline engines.

The car manufactures and whoever decides the warranty length.

Oh thats right, they are in bed with the oil companies.

I cant speak for anyone but myself, but it the manufacture that is going to warrant the engine in the event of problems tells me to change the oil at a certain frequency, I am going to follow. Weather it actually needed changed is a moot point. If I dont follow there guidelines, and something bad happens, I and ONLY I am going to be the one footing the bill. NOT people like you saying to go longer between changes, not the oil companies with their "extended life" oils, not people doing analysis and saying its okay. THAT is the whole point.

Grow up or take your bully tactics elsewhere.

Thats the funniest thing I have heard all day coming from someone with 100 posts.:laughing:

And with the tone of your posts and your attitude, it is clear you arent going to earn much respect or last long here unless you change your ways. Disagreements are fine. You have your opinion, I have mine, Soundguy has his, and everyone else has their own opinions. We enjoy sharing opinions with each other. Not getting into arguments and being confrontational because someone has an opinion that differs from yours.

 

[Soundguy]

why are you so rude and agressive?

the he-man comment? really? How juevenile... my wife, a school teacher gets to deal with comments like that all day from the middle schoolers.... I see many of them don't grow up.. they just get older..

off road fuel? in a gasser? what off road 'gas' fuel would that be?

As I mentioned earlier.. the wifes truck sees dirt road and farm usage, and tons of city miles and idleing... that why we flip open the owners manual and use the severe usage interval on the oil change.

Had all my threads on this subject been read and comprehended, it would have been clear, that after my 2nd oil change with synthetic ( to make sure all the rest of the dino is out ), I AM going to flip the 18$ for the UOA as a baseline.

My move to the syn oil is specifically to see about extended interval.. thus less changes.

the 1000m comment? again? juevenile... it's a red hearing tactic to attack the person makinghte argument. and detracts from the topic.. classic logical fallacy. good job!

you are the one with the bully tactics....

( on an unrelated subject, my powerstroke diesels are on synthetic oil, using extended service change intervals )

soundguy

Worked in the lube oil analysis lab for Petro Canada on Southdown Rd in Mississauga. We run oil analysis in the Nuclear industry too.
Sorry that I doubted somebody being a "He Man" as anyone using their truck in rough tough conditions truely are "He Men".
Any chance he's using off road fuel in that truck and is worried about engine wear?
b.t.w rough tough conditions is when Aunt Mildred fires up her car and her driving consists of making the mile long trek to church, shopping, bingo or to the Dr at a scathing 25mph.
If an oil analysis costs you $100 then you are also daft enough to pay any price asked at Quicky Lube.
An oil analysis will also find and alert of damage from leaking coolant or a failed air intake filtration system that oil changed every 1000miles won't cope with.
Again sorry that feel so easily threatened and insulted with well known and proven facts on lube oil. Some people just can't move past with 3000 miles oil changes that went by the wayside in the late 1980's for gasoline engines. Nor have they noticed 2006 has come and gone with ULSD and the departure of aggressive sulphur content.
How about changing the oil every 1000 miles, sooner is better you know? Should make the engine last two or three times longer over the 3000 mile interval?
Grow up or take your bully tactics elsewhere.

 

[Soundguy]

Thats the funniest thing I have heard all day coming from someone with 100 posts.:laughing:

And with the tone of your posts and your attitude, it is clear .

I'm not going to reply to him further on this topic.. it's clear he's just trolling for an argument.

my wife read his last post and asked if I was talking to one of her middle schoolers.

now that was funny.

I chuckled a bit and am now moving on

soundguy

 

[LD1]

I'm not going to reply to him further on this topic.. it's clear he's just trolling for an argument.

my wife read his last post and asked if I was talking to one of her middle schoolers.

now that was funny.

I chuckled a bit and am now moving on

soundguy

I am going to attempt to do the same. It really isnt my fight here, but when a new member comes on here and is arrogant and cocky toward one of our own, it just rubs me the wrong way. This forum isnt like many others where people like that come from. Sure, we all have out debates and disagreements, but for God sakes do it respectfully. You are right, he was just trolling for an argument. I hate people like that. Especially when there is NO right or wrong answer, just opinion and preference. I dont care if you cange oil at 100 mile intervals or 100,000 mile intervals.:laughing:

 

[Soundguy]

I am going to attempt to do the same. It really isnt my fight here, but when a new member comes on here and is arrogant and cocky toward one of our own, it just rubs me the wrong way. This forum isnt like many others where people like that come from. Sure, we all have out debates and disagreements, but for God sakes do it respectfully. You are right, he was just trolling for an argument. I hate people like that. Especially when there is NO right or wrong answer, just opinion and preference. I dont care if you cange oil at 100 mile intervals or 100,000 mile intervals.:laughing:

I just don't feel like arguing about something that is my opinion.. and a bit of an expirement at that.

I have a target replacement year priced out for that vehicle.. and it needs to make it there. I can assure you that maint cost while statistically significant.. are not the determining factor on it.

a home dino oil change is less than 20$ a home syn oil change with a store brand syn oil is less than 30$

on a (up to )12000 mile yearly range.. that's a MAX of 4 changes at the severe usage level.... even if it was pressed to 15K.. that's one more change on the dino. thus total cost for the home dino at 3k changes is 80-100$ on syn, IF i kept same intervals, which I likely wouldn't, it would be 120-150$. realistically.. the change interval would hit around 4500-5000 from what I can see only for sever usage.. which means a yearly cost of 90$ to 100$.. which looks strikingly like that dino oil change range.... thus if getting the same protection at 4500 or 5000m on sever usage with synthetic as 3000 on dino.. it's a straight wash more or less, with a net gain of 'less work' by , on average, a number over 1, under 2, oil changes. thus a savings of 40 minutes per year or so.. again.. a wash....


with plenty of tractors and trucks to maintain.. I track stuff like that. I also track stuff like that at work for the GC I work for... nice to look in a piece of equipments file and see tons of maint info that you can check out. helps when you sell it too.

when I bought my f450 PSD dually I use as a 'toy hauler' with my GN trailer to go fetch my antique tractors.... the dealer that sold it to me ( used ), was the daler that originally sold it to the (one ) owner before me. that guy used it to pull a camper from florida to somewhere a lil northwest. it ran syn oil all around.. rear end.. tranny, power steering.. engine..e tc. syn grease too. had all the goodies. pyrometer.. extra trans and PS coolers.. extended fuel tank with auto xfer setup..e tc.

trans filter and fluid was changed yearly when he did his long haul round trip. engine oil changed at about 5000m as well. all service records were in the dealer provided service manual, incluid all repairs down to belts and hoses... all done at the original selling delaer no less. there was a single entry of a repair not done at the original dealer.. it was a set of batteries repalced when he was out of town... owner wrote that one in himself as he apparrently did it one cold morning in a parking lot of a parts store somewhere..

one day he decided to sell the camper, stay in florida, and get a sprts car and traded his truck back to t he dealer.. cherry of a truck... and I loved getting the service history on it.... meant alot to me as to value. I've kept it up too...

soundguy

 

[buickanddeere]

If you don't wish to change your ways from traditional 3000 miles from the well documented advice of experts. it's your lo$$.

 

[JimRB]

So here is a question. I lived in Cleveland Ohio. I now live in Georgia. Down south we have a month of less than zero F nights. In Ohio we had months of days at less than zero. In central and south Florida they can count on one finger the number of days in a decade they have a night below zero. Does this affect severe duty?

I did oil analysis a few times on my Jetta TDI. Every time it say I have an air filter leak as silicone level is high. They said the same thing when I did a test on my Toyota. Different testing labs. Now I caulk my air filter in just in case it is not properly sealing in the VW. I have not done a test since starting the caulking. Jetta has 326,000 miles on it and does not need to be topped off between 10,000 mile oil changes. I drive an hour one way usually at highway speeds for at least 30 miles on most of my drives. Oil gets hot eventually to burn off condensation.

My 1984 VW had an oil temp gauge. In the winter in Georgia on those rare days where it was really cold the VW would show water temp at operating in 2 miles or so. Oil was not hot in 7 miles but it was close to operating temp by then. The TDI does not have an oil temp gauge but the water temp gauge starts to show warm by 7 miles of 55 mph driving.

The VW gets Mobil1 synthetic Truck and SUV diesel oil but I choke at the price. OReilys has big jugs so it is slightly better. The tractor and the Dodge Cummins gets Shell Rotella T6 full synthetic. My use of synthetic might have been voodoo before the TDI but that is the spec for the TDI.

The target replacement on the TDI is 600,000 miles. We shall see how I feel when I get closer to that mileage. The Dodge I just got last year used and it only has a 135,000 or so. It could last another 30 years.

So back to the question of service intervals. If then the service interval is based on dusty conditions then it should also include increased air filter changes. I also see low speed city driving and possible short trips which are bad for condensation.

By the way Blackstone charges $25 for a basic oil analysis. Amsoil the same price, Polaris $22-28.

 

[Z71]

I just got this info in the lube report that some might find interesting and as well as comical.


Lawsuit Hits at Jiffy Lube Intervals

In the suit, the plaintiff, Daniel Horlick, asserts that by recommending oil change intervals of 3,000 miles or three months, JLI has misled the class of consumers using JLI oil change facilities in California. JLI received "unjust enrichment" through making oil changes at intervals which were shorter than recommended by vehicle manufacturers, he charged.

 

[LD1]

I just got this info in the lube report that some might find interesting and as well as comical.


Lawsuit Hits at Jiffy Lube Intervals

WOW. I hope they (horlick) loose and JLI contersues for all hes got.

Just another BS lawsuit that will ruin a business, put several out of work, just because someone thinks they can get right the easy way.

If you are too stupid to read your owners manual and go by its guidelines.....

Its not like they were forcing people in ever 3000miles. Its just a RECOMMENDATION :confused2: Follow it if you want.

If I owned a carwash, I would recommend people wash their car DAILY.
If I owned a tire shop, I'd recommend people have their tires rotate ever 1000miles.
If I owned a transmission shop, I'd recommend people have a drain and flush ever 10k.

Its business. They can recommend whatever they want. If you choose to follow and not read you manual, your SOL.

Maybe I should sue QVC, because I bought a worthless and usless Item off there because they told me it was a "MUST HAVE" Item:confused2:

 

[brin]

I now live in Georgia. Down south we have a month of less than zero F nights. In Ohio we had months of days at less than zero.

Jim RB...I live about 30 min from you....I have lived in Georgia for almost 40 yrs. and we have never had a below 0 F temp in all that time....The coldest temp I have ever seen was in the high teens and then only for a night or two...??????????????