Not a fan of the new forum look...

   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #71  
Give it time. The change wasn't for changes sake, there are reasons.

I was a member of a forum that had several million posts. All the posts were in one forum, no sub-forums. The forum mother decided to divide the forum into a number of sub-forums, no other changes, and this broke up the community nature of the original forum. There was lots of complaining and moaning. But the forum mother stuck with the new format, figuring members would get used to the change. Members didn't and the forum died. The members moved to a new forum set up by a forum member of the original forum.

An interesting analog is how MySpace went from a phenomenon to nothing after Facebook took off.

The customers of this forum are the advertisers, not its members. Obviously without members there would be no advertisers (as well as the converse.)
 
   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #74  
Give it time. The change wasn't for changes sake, there are reasons.

I was a member of a forum that had several million posts. All the posts were in one forum, no sub-forums. The forum mother decided to divide the forum into a number of sub-forums, no other changes, and this broke up the community nature of the original forum. There was lots of complaining and moaning. But the forum mother stuck with the new format, figuring members would get used to the change. Members didn't and the forum died. The members moved to a new forum set up by a forum member of the original forum.

An interesting analog is how MySpace went from a phenomenon to nothing after Facebook took off.

The customers of this forum are the advertisers, not its members. Obviously without members there would be no advertisers (as well as the converse.)

So then technically the members are the customers too. That's the way we see it, anyway. Plus some of you guys buy stuff from us from time to time. So that's always good. :thumbsup:
 
   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #75  
The customers of this forum are the advertisers, not its members.

Didn't used to be that way.

When I first started reading this forum it was all text. Old style, nuting but the 'nuts-n-bolts'.
 
   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #76  
With constant change a daily fact of life... I became very attached to the coming to something familiar nature of TBN...

I imagine most will adapt...
 
   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #77  
The (very recent) changes to some grey scale and yellow highlighted new posts have made it easier to see. It is better, I think, as it more approximates the previous version. Change as presumably necessary, and itis only right to point out that Muhammed has done far, far more to listen and be responsive to forum users than virtually anyone.

Thanks for being responsivemand caring about member input. I hope the new format goes well through the transition.
 
   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #78  
Hope you get feeling better soon. I hate when I get those toothaches. I'm hoping to get a few of my teeth pulled this summer. As about once or twice every year, three of my teeth hurt. And it's the same teeth every year. So I'm sure their getting infected.

Best wishes and hope you have a speedy recovery of that tooth ache.

Muhammad. I too appreciate all the hard work you put into this great site. I sure hope it's around for a long time to come.

Chad

Thanks Chad,
Tooth ache is getting better. Lots of advil's, and some pain pills from the vet, (only 6 years old). Last night my sister showed up with some antibiotics and pain pills. Much better now. For a while it looked like I was hiding a golf ball in my cheek, it has started to go down. Some time in the next year may get me some Store Bough Teeth. :(

All you folks with good teeth, see your dentist twice a year and brush like he!!.

Mohammad, take a little break, you deserve it. Thanks again for all your hard work.
Jim
 
   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #79  
The customers of this forum are the advertisers, not its members. Obviously without members there would be no advertisers (as well as the converse.)

So then technically the members are the customers too. That's the way we see it, anyway.

The members are the most important part of any forum, because without the members, there would be no forum. Sure, one could easily create a number of web pages and splatter them with ads, but without the content (threads/posts) created by forum members, those ads would probably never be seen.

1. Members generate content.
2. Content attracts more members, and advertisers.
3. Members and non-members, buy from advertisers, sometimes.

However, despite the critical role that content plays, the design of any forum (or website) is equally important. Generally speaking, any given forum only has a few seconds to grab someone's attention, and during that time, people make snap judgments about the forum and everything it contains, before they read the content. Hence, the need for periodic redesigns or updates to keep the forum looking "fresh".

A forum must adapt to it's members, and the members must adapt to the forum. It's a cycle of change which isn't always easy, but like it or not, it's a necessary evil.

Web content - Wikipedia
Web design - Wikipedia
 
   / Not a fan of the new forum look... #80  
The members are the most important part of any forum, because without the members, there would be no forum. Sure, one could easily create a number of web pages and splatter them with ads, but without the content (threads/posts) created by forum members, those ads would probably never be seen.

1. Members generate content.
2. Content attracts more members, and advertisers.
3. Members and non-members, buy from advertisers, sometimes.

However, despite the critical role that content plays, the design of any forum (or website) is equally important. Generally speaking, any given forum only has a few seconds to grab someone's attention, and during that time, people make snap judgments about the forum and everything it contains, before they read the content. Hence, the need for periodic redesigns or updates to keep the forum looking "fresh".

A forum must adapt to it's members, and the members must adapt to the forum. It's a cycle of change which isn't always easy, but like it or not, it's a necessary evil.

Web content - Wikipedia
Web design - Wikipedia

I'd agree with 90%, the part about members adapting to the forum doesn't fit with me though. I have choices, as do we all, though most of us won't say a word if we had a mouth full. Some of us will air our opinions, as we have here, others will simply shrug and go away, which is unfortunate since feedback is a necessary part of any public endeavour.

For some reason, I find the forum (new style) easier to read at home than at work, which may be due to a seriously outdated browser at work. I expect it'll get better as opinions are heard and adjustments made, everything takes time. Until then, I probably just won't spend as much time here as I used to.

Sean
 

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