Need TIG machine purchase advice

   / Need TIG machine purchase advice #21  
I have a hobart 140 mig it says it can do aluminum. Can it? I dont have the need to. But maybe I will try it someday.

Most MIG machines can do aluminum if you add a spool gun. Miller/Hobart makes a ?$250 spool gun for just that purpose. Not for pro use but allows welding of 1/8 inch or so aluminum.
 
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Well, I guess I'm out of luck since I can't spend $5,800 on a TIG welder at the moment. I would need to do aluminum of mostly 1/8" or so, stainless and mild steel mostly in the 1/8" to 3/16" range with an occasional 1/4" or more. To do nice welds for clean projects would be my goal and I wouldn't want to compromise and not be happy later. Maybe I can find a used earlier model so I'm getting the word out to see what happens.

Here's the link to what I think I need...plus the water cooler.
Precision TIGョ 275 TIG Welder Ready-Pak
 
   / Need TIG machine purchase advice #23  
sixdogs said:
Well, I guess I'm out of luck since I can't spend $5,800 on a TIG welder at the moment. I would need to do aluminum of mostly 1/8" or so, stainless and mild steel mostly in the 1/8" to 3/16" range with an occasional 1/4" or more. To do nice welds for clean projects would be my goal and I wouldn't want to compromise and not be happy later. Maybe I can find a used earlier model so I'm getting the word out to see what happens.

Here's the link to what I think I need...plus the water cooler.
Precision TIGョ 275 TIG Welder Ready-Pak

1/8" Aluminum would not take more than the 200 amps available from a Miller Dynasty DX which though not cheap would be significantly less than $5800. On the other hand an excellent used transformer setup like a Synchrowave can be had for about $3000 or less.
 
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1/8" Aluminum would not take more than the 200 amps available from a Miller Dynasty DX which though not cheap would be significantly less than $5800. On the other hand an excellent used transformer setup like a Synchrowave can be had for about $3000 or less.

I was told I need watercooled and foot pedal to do aluminum?
 
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sixdogs said:
I was told I need watercooled and foot pedal to do aluminum?

Water cooled only if you are doing a lot of welding as it cools the torch better than air but not required to make an aluminum weld. Foot pedal or thumb control to modulate heat is certainly nice but technically not necessary. I'd go for a foot pedal before a water cooled torch though.
 
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I bought a Miller EconoTig years ago to do some rollcage work in a car I was building. Since then it's served me very well - including welding up some relatively heavy gauge steel to make tractor parts when my HTP MIG welder crapped out.

I've also been thinking of getting into doing some aluminum welding - and also thinking of buying a larger MIG setup. The aluminum I might be joining would be 1/4" plate to some structurals. I've been trying to determine the best way to go about this, MIG weld aluminum, join together with fasteners - or possibly brazing.

Is brazing an appropriate method to use on aluminum to join together larger gauge in an application that might see some heavy use?

When I get a larger MIG setup I've been leaning towards something along the lines of a Millermatic 252 - which claims it is spool gun ready (or potentially the Lincoln equivalent machine - I've read good reviews on both).
 
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   / Need TIG machine purchase advice #29  
If you can Tig weld aluminum without some kind of control of the amps.......:D

Yeah, you are right. Technically you can do it in that the power is there but no doubt the finger or pedal control is necessary.
 
   / Need TIG machine purchase advice #30  
Don't give up yet. You do not have to spend $5800 to TIG 1/8" Aluminum. I have a Diversion that was in the $1500 range, though I don't remember the exact price. There are limits to the Diversion versus the Dynasty. For example, the Diversion is TIG only (AC and DC), whereas the Dynasty (I think) can also be used as a stick machine. The Diversion was built as a "beginner" TIG machine. With it, you don't have the flexibility that you have with the Dynasty or Synchrowave's. Again, for example, our Synchrowave's have about a dozen parameters you can use to tune the machine. Features like gas Pre-Flow and Post-Flow Times. With the Diversion, these features are present, they're just wired into the machine and are not adjustable. With the Diversion, you set it to "Aluminum", which sets it to AC, and you turn the dial to select a material thickness. These two settings and the torch's amperage control are the only adjustable parameters you have.

The torch is air-cooled and, as far as I know, there is no water-cooled torch offered as an option. Water-cooled torches are nice if you are going to be welding thicker pieces (higher amps) for longer stretches of time. When welding aluminum, I'm mostly welding small brackets or thin sheet, so I've never missed it. The torch has a built-in thumb control and a foot control is offered as an option. Before buying this machine, I preferred a foot control, so I bought it. At that time, it was about $100 to $125. I've never used it. The thumb control on the torch is plenty comfortable and allows you to stand flat footed or even shuffle your feet to stay comfortable while welding.

As stated in an earlier post, I have the advantage of having access to larger machines. When I need to weld heavier cast aluminum pieces, like transmission housings, I use a Synchrowave 350 with a water-cooled torch. But when needing to weld smaller pieces of structural shape aluminum, the Diversion has done fine. It has also handled anything I've wanted to weld at it as far as mild steel and stainless are concerned. I've just finished a project welding replacement drain pipes for a set of machines we have. The pipes were fabricated using 4", 304 SS, Schedule 40 pipe. I was able to weld flanges and 2" Thread-O-Lets to the pipe with little issue. The machine's thermal overload tripped twice during this project. Both times, I was making the second pass on the pipe side of a 4" Slip-On flange. These are the kind of limitations you would have to accept. It won't blow and go all day. But, then again, neither will I.

I'm not a Miller salesman, nor do I own stock. I own Miller, Lincoln's, and Hobart and have had good luck with all. I'm sure Lincoln or others offer similar machines that others here have experience with.
 

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