.40S&W vrs .45ACP

   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #71  
I agree that caliber is not as important as is if the pistol is the right size that you can carry it all the time. One thing that I consider though is what are the chances it could go through the bad guy and hit someone you care about. Power is great, but too much could be detrimental. I would just find something that is fitting for your carry situation and remember extra rounds in the mag can be a friend if in the heat of the moment if you miss. If someone as trained as an officer, per a previous posts, only hits the bad guy 50% of his qualifying score, a few extra rounds could make a big difference.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #72  
Former FBI told me the best defensive weapon is a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #73  
Former FBI told me the best defensive weapon is a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot.

No one can dispute that one, so long as you live in a cold weather enviornment where no one notices your trench coat:thumbsup:
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #74  
Why the trench coat, isnt it legal to open carry anywhere that it is legal to carry firearms?
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #75  
Former FBI told me the best defensive weapon is a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot.

Yeah..if you're home.
I think most folks on this thread are more interested in carry guns and ammo selection.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #76  
Why the trench coat, isnt it legal to open carry anywhere that it is legal to carry firearms?

No...open carry is legal in many states, but not all. In some states (Pennsylvania, for example) open carry is a right.
Now, carrying long arms (rifles and shotguns) can get you in trouble with the Fish and Game wardens.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #77  
Nothing wrong with that but I'd hate to put six on a single target...maybe I should carry more ammo. Dang why are you making me paranoid.

Keep shooting until the threat stops. Me, I reckon I'll pull the trigger more than once before I notice that the threat has stopped. I ain't going to shoot and then wait to see if the guy falls down or keeps coming before lining up the next one.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #78  
I dont believe a person in a SD situation will actually know how many hits are actually on a bad guy other than the obvious bloody clothes/face etc.

I bet we will miss more than we hit even the guys that shoot a lot especially if we are taken by surprise and cant process the situation before we are tangled up in it.

But seriously not all wounds are that obvious not by any stretch unless they are mechanically disabled by a broken bone etc a .45 hole is tiny going in a .355-.357 is really really small not very many will even bleed unless they hit an artery.


As long as you dont stand there and think about it too long an extra well aimed shot is arguably a good idea especially when you are sure he was getting back up to presumably finish what he started.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #79  
But seriously not all wounds are that obvious not by any stretch unless they are mechanically disabled by a broken bone etc a .45 hole is tiny going in a .355-.357 is really really small not very many will even bleed unless they hit an artery.

This is especially true because, even a person who has taken a mortal wound, such as an artery hit, will likely have some time of nearly-full functionality before their blood pressure drops to a level to prevent functioning. My understanding is that there are basically three ways that an attack is stopped:

  1. An organ or system vital to continuing functioning is damaged, such as the spine or certain parts of the brain. The person immediately becomes incapable of muscular control and simply drops like a rag doll.
  2. Sufficient damage is done to the cardiovascular system to cause blood loss to the point that blood pressure drops low enough that continuing function is impossible.
  3. Put simply, the person decides to stop fighting, even though they are physically capable of continuing to do so.
Point 1 is difficult to accomplish in a real fight. These targets are small. We have all heard a story where a lucky (or unlucky, depending on which side you're on) shot goes through a person's spine, but hitting someone in the spine or the right part of the brain on purpose is very hard.

Point 2, the problem is that it takes time. If you shoot a person directly in the heart with your first shot, they may have ten or twelve seconds of near-full functionality before they go down, especially with adrenaline in the mix. They may not even realize they have been hit.

That brings us to point 3. If you don't accomplish point 1, then only point 3 is going to stop an attack, at least up until you accomplish point 2. It pays to remember that the goal of a shooting is to stop the attack, not to put rounds into the assailant. The latter is just a means to the former. This is one reason why smaller rounds like .22 are less effective defense rounds. Of course, packing less energy and being physically smaller, they are less likely to accomplish points 1 and 2. But hitting with less impact and causing less trauma to the body, they are less likely to accomplish point 3, because they are less likely to send the message to the attacker's limbic system: "YOU ARE GETTING MESSED UP! STOP! RETREAT! SURRENDER!" But at the end of the day, you can't rely totally on point 3, because a determined attacker, hopped up on adrenaline, is just going to keep coming until points 1 or 2 shut them down. Go hunting for wild boar some day if you want to see what I mean. Some of those pigs get a head of steam and they are just going to keep trying to chew your leg off until the spark of life evacuates them.

In short, this is why one-shot and stop/wait/assess is a bad policy. It could have been the perfect shot (direct hit to the heart), and they could still have a very l o o o o ng ten seconds to shoot back at you, or stab you, or hit you with a bat, before they go down. You must keep shooting in hopes of accomplishing either 1 or 3.
 
   / .40S&W vrs .45ACP #80  
No...open carry is legal in many states, but not all. In some states (Pennsylvania, for example) open carry is a right.
Now, carrying long arms (rifles and shotguns) can get you in trouble with the Fish and Game wardens.

Those pesky fish and game wardens....
 

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