Pistol Safety

[TripleR]

I agree that you would have had more options than all the unarmed folks and I support concealed carry with proper training.
What you have not discussed is if you had been there and discharged your weapon in the crowd what do you think would happen to you when the police arrived and saw you with a weapon or someone pointed you out to them as being a shooter? What is your trained procedure
for putting your weapon down and assuming a position that might keep the police from shooting you?

My training is to holster if possible and if not hold my weapon by my side, not drop it where control is lost and show my badge, but there will always be the chance you will die from friendly fire and each person just has to decide which is the best or maybe more appropriately "less bad" option.

The repercussions of any deadly use of force incident are often pretty bad, there are no "winners", just survivors, I've seen people who "won" a gunfight lose their job, family, careers etc., deploying a weapon should always be the absolute last resort.

 

[Car Doc]

The repercussions of any deadly use of force incident are often pretty bad, there are no "winners", just survivors, I've seen people who "won" a gunfight lose their job, family, careers etc., deploying a weapon should always be the absolute last resort.

Well said right on point.

 

[Car Doc]

Interesting point Car Doc. If a business advertises it is "gun free" by a sign on the door, what is their duty to their patrons to insure it is, in fact, "gun free."

Greasemonkeyok,

That is the million dollar question my friend! I mentioned that early on this thread that "what if" (and its true we know now) this was a no gun zone and everyone was to believe they were "safe" once they got inside. Its messed up is all I can say no metal detectors and we would feel pressured if they did that probably some folks would be screaming bloody murder. (pardon the pun)

 

[Soundguy]

Guy, It really Ticked me to hear the Ny mayor run his mouth about a cc person, being in the crowd...Granted, it would be very hard to stop the maniac, from very far away. He was shooting anyone close to him...He did have the helmet and body armor on, so it would have taken a head shot to stop him... This was so senseless an event...Plus, now there might be a copycat??

i agree with trippler

a head shot is not needed.

soft body armor is bullet resistant. it still hurts like heck getting shot. a few rounds pumped into that guy's back .. especially in a spot near a bone would not have hurt him badly.. but likely would have temporarilly crippled him for a few seconds...

 

[MossflowerWoods]

Greasemonkeyok,

That is the million dollar question my friend! I mentioned that early on this thread that "what if" (and its true we know now) this was a no gun zone and everyone was to believe they were "safe" once they got inside. Its messed up is all I can say no metal detectors and we would feel pressured if they did that probably some folks would be screaming bloody murder. (pardon the pun)

Unfortunately, the BILLION dollar answer is that NONE of these regulations work.

The perp came IN the EXIT door. There would NEVER be a metal detector on the exit door.

Fact is, this was terrorism, just not islamic terrorism. This was crazy comic book idiot terrorism I guess...

Sad fact is EVIL is REAL, and it does not care about the rules, and in fact it uses the rules to its advantage. There are no mass shootings at a gun range for a reason. EVIL wants success, they purposely choose to attack where it is not expected, on an airplane, or in a gun free zone inside a movie theatre.

The simple and unfortunate fact is our society is on a very slippery slope and the case could be made we are becoming either more evil, or at least ok with evil, or something. There are SO MANY things wrong in our society that lead to disrespect for life and other people.

The Govt. CANNOT cure this. America needs to clean itself up, go to rehab, whatever. I believe we have, or are becoming a DEATH culture, and not a LIFE culture, and it breaks my heart...

We the people need to cure ourselves.

David

 

[Car Doc]

Well David we all agree no doubt and to take it a bit on a tangent lots of folks believe liability should lie where liability exists. They take our ability to defend our self away as long as WE follow the law they should have added security as sad as that is.

Meaning its a business owners prerogative to hang the sign its a gun free zone but it should have the added liability of the chance someone is going to do the unexpected and be prepared for it.

IE as in locking the exit door so it cant be opened from the outside. Again hind sight but we learn from our mistakes. my .002

It obviously isn't the licensed CCH person that is a threat we all know that but the general population needs that understanding but I have my doubts it will go that way. The only way I see the CCH becoming an accepted factor in society is if we are deputized.

 

[TripleR]

It obviously isn't the licensed CCH person that is a threat we all know that but the general population needs that understanding but I have my doubts it will go that way. The only way I see the CCH becoming an accepted factor in society is if we are deputized.

In my state at least, in order to be "deputized" is through POST certification and membership in a reserve unit and even then, your authority exists only while "on duty" and the other is to be "deputized" temporarily to assist an officer.

Around here before CWP was enacted, the Sheriff would hand out Deputy Sheriff Commissions to allow selected friends to carry weapons, but they would not have held up in court and were simply an indication you would not be arrested and prosecuted in that county; step across into another county and you were fair game.

It all gets really complicated.

 

[k0ua]

In my state at least, in order to be "deputized" is through POST certification and membership in a reserve unit and even then, your authority exists only while "on duty" and the other is to be "deputized" temporarily to assist an officer.

Around here before CWP was enacted, the Sheriff would hand out Deputy Sheriff Commissions to allow selected friends to carry weapons, but they would not have held up in court and were simply an indication you would not be arrested and prosecuted in that county; step across into another county and you were fair game.

It all gets really complicated.

Sad to say but in the "old days" before cert. training was mandatory, I have seen hundreds of commissions handed out as political favors.
It caused some trouble in the community even then.

James K0UA

 

[Cat_Driver]

Is it so dangerous you have to carry all the time?

That's what the movie goers said as they were eating popcorn and watching Bat Man.......

The only way to stop violence is to chop the feet and hands off of everyone born. Man will find a way to kill man even if you ban everything and the only thing left is Sticks and stones on the planet.

That's what Humans do we kill other Humans. Always have always will. There is no amount of BANNING, and no amount of LAWS that will prevent this.

Why everyone doesn't see this is beyond me.

Actually the nut in Colorado actually killed less people because of guns - they jammed. Had he walked in with two 5 gallon cans of gas and soaked the entrance and the exit - 400 people would have been killed.

So what, now regulate, license, ban gasoline?

 

[Car Doc]

Just wait until another CCH saves a theater or mall full of people they have done it on a one on one already then we will see what happens besides the media keeping it quiet. And someone will I can almost guarantee it will happen sooner or later as a many of us as there is.

interesting facts here: http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm