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   / Law Enforcement #81  
Gator6x4 said:
. So surprise the FBI probably has your fingerprints on file and another individual who is black with the same name and birthdate also on file. What a shocker.

I think there is an important point being missed, here. Sure, there likely is someone in this country with the same name, though I'm a junior and that makes it more rare, but not everyone with the same name shares the same license number. In order for this guy to get tickets in my name, how did it get on my license? And my race, hair and eye color shows up on my license. So, if police, either before or after arrest, have access to that info then race isn't the only factor. Though this guy was hardly confusingly mixed race, unless he dyed his hair blonde and wore blue tinted contacts I don't see how there could be confusion.

Fake license, sure, hacking the dmv mainframe to edit the real data? Not likely.

Everyone stopped at race, yet there is far more info on a license. So, back to the original question, what shows up when a license number is run? Just race and DOB? I figure there is no picture, as the database would be too big, especially back then, but hair and eye color, weight, age, height?

This guy was roughly my height (a little taller) and age (about ten years older), but that is as similar as it got. It sounds as though him being female would have been the only thing to make police question the authenticity of the license.

Apparently id theft is the way to go when it comes to getting away with anything.

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   / Law Enforcement #82  
I stopped at race because I really no longer have any great interest in the subject, but I have seen physical descriptions vary on one individual with different forms of ID, blue, hazel, green eyes, people dye their hair etc.

We were required to take new pictures every three years or anytime an individual's appearance changed. We made our data base open to other systems as our identifiers were often more accurate.

License offices here vary in quality from one to the other and what is fed into the system may be accurate and may not, it is not done by law enforcement, but rather Department of Revenue License Bureau.

I guess a better result could be to have law enforcement check us all out personally, prohibit colored contacts, hair dye and a weight maintenance plan, but that will only cut down, not eliminate miss-identification.

For some there will always be too much or too little law enforcement involvement. For me, which is which varies on my mood that day and what's going on.

Heading out to the tractor, have a good day everyone.:):thumbsup:
 
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#83  
I think there is an important point being missed, here. Sure, there likely is someone in this country with the same name, though I'm a junior and that makes it more rare, but not everyone with the same name shares the same license number. In order for this guy to get tickets in my name, how did it get on my license? And my race, hair and eye color shows up on my license. So, if police, either before or after arrest, have access to that info then race isn't the only factor. Though this guy was hardly confusingly mixed race, unless he dyed his hair blonde and wore blue tinted contacts I don't see how there could be confusion.

Fake license, sure, hacking the dmv mainframe to edit the real data? Not likely.

Everyone stopped at race, yet there is far more info on a license. So, back to the original question, what shows up when a license number is run? Just race and DOB? I figure there is no picture, as the database would be too big, especially back then, but hair and eye color, weight, age, height?

This guy was roughly my height (a little taller) and age (about ten years older), but that is as similar as it got. It sounds as though him being female would have been the only thing to make police question the authenticity of the license.

Apparently id theft is the way to go when it comes to getting away with anything.

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Let me give you a short course on how to break law. Steal someone of the same sexs personal identification. Memorize the drivers license number, date of birth and SS# if different than number on the drivers license. Now go to the DMV in your state and ask for a duplicate license, tell them you lost yours. Walk out the door with a new license bearing your face. Now you have a photo ID. Years ago some over the road truck drivers had three or four sets of drivers license.
 
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#84  
I think there is an important point being missed, here. Sure, there likely is someone in this country with the same name, though I'm a junior and that makes it more rare, but not everyone with the same name shares the same license number. In order for this guy to get tickets in my name, how did it get on my license? And my race, hair and eye color shows up on my license. So, if police, either before or after arrest, have access to that info then race isn't the only factor. Though this guy was hardly confusingly mixed race, unless he dyed his hair blonde and wore blue tinted contacts I don't see how there could be confusion.

Fake license, sure, hacking the dmv mainframe to edit the real data? Not likely.

Everyone stopped at race, yet there is far more info on a license. So, back to the original question, what shows up when a license number is run? Just race and DOB? I figure there is no picture, as the database would be too big, especially back then, but hair and eye color, weight, age, height?

This guy was roughly my height (a little taller) and age (about ten years older), but that is as similar as it got. It sounds as though him being female would have been the only thing to make police question the authenticity of the license.

Apparently id theft is the way to go when it comes to getting away with anything.

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Let me give you a short course on how to break law. Steal someone of the same sexs personal identification. Memorize the drivers license number, date of birth and SS# if different than number on the drivers license. Now go to the DMV in your state and ask for a duplicate license, tell them you lost yours. Walk out the door with a new license bearing your face. Now you have a photo ID to use for cashing checks and other transactions. Years ago some over the road truck drivers had three or four sets of drivers license.

Did you read the article on states who objected after 9-11 to the Federal Government inacting legislation having them put safe guards in place to prevent individuals from having or carrying multipile drivers licenses and other ID's?
 
   / Law Enforcement #85  
Gator6x4 said:
Let me give you a short course on how to break law. Steal someone of the same sexs personal identification. Memorize the drivers license number, date of birth and SS# if different than number on the drivers license. Now go to the DMV in your state and ask for a duplicate license, tell them you lost yours. Walk out the door with a new license bearing your face. Now you have a photo ID. Years ago some over the road truck drivers had three or four sets of drivers license.

I had no idea it was so easy. That certainly explains how he has gotten away with it so easily. I wish that was explained to me from day one. Even perfect police work would not uncover that type of id theft. That makes sense. Thank you.

Did you read the article on states who objected after 9-11 to the Federal Government inacting legislation having them put safe guards in place to prevent individuals from having or carrying multipile drivers licenses and other ID's?

They didn't fight the safeguards against fraud, they fought the feds having free, suspicionless access to it, which was buried in the same legislation. Two different animals.

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   / Law Enforcement #86  
If you write checks, or have written checks, in certain stores the clerk has access to your DL#, DOB, description, phone#, and your banking information.
 
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#87  
They didn't fight the safeguards against fraud, they fought the feds having free, suspicionless access to it, which was buried in the same legislation. Two different animals.

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Really I didn't see that. I don't think the Law Enforcement Agencies of the Federal Government having access would be an invasion of anyone privacy. The only way to prevent crime is tro share information and strip away that cloak of invisibilty that the criminal element hides behind while hollering invasion of privacy. Here is the complete article:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 4 — Opposition among state officials is turning into an open revolt against a federal law calling for the creation of standardized driver’s licenses nationwide that are meant to be less vulnerable to fraud.

Maine legislators started off the rebellion late last month by passing a nonbinding resolution that rejected the law, called the Real ID Act, which Congress passed in 2005. They said that it would cost the state $185 million to put into place and that instead of making Maine’s residents more secure, it would leave them more vulnerable to identity theft.

Since then, legislatures in five states — Georgia, Montana, New Mexico, Washington and Wyoming — have voted in committee or on the floor of one chamber to move similar legislation ahead. The bill adopted in a 99-to-1 vote by the Montana House of Representatives would go furthest, ordering state officials there to ignore the federal law.

Unless the federal law is revised, any state that defies it will risk causing major inconvenience for its residents, as noncompliant licenses will not be accepted as a proof of identification at airports, federal buildings or when applying for federal benefits.

What state officials are hoping is that Congress will repeal or modify the law, or at least provide some of the billions of dollars the states claim it will cost to establish the new licensing system nationwide.

The campaign features an odd mix of liberal Democrats, offended by a measure in the law that would effectively block illegal immigrants from getting federally compliant driver’s licenses, and conservative Republicans, who see the law as an affront to civil liberties and to states’ rights.

“This is a frontal assault on our freedoms,” said State Representative Jim Guest of Missouri, a Republican who said he was working with more than two dozen states to pass laws opposing the federal statute. “One state standing alone is not enough. But we are already gaining strong momentum here.”

Some states are not going as far as others. Vermont passed a law that would not defy the federal statute but called for more federal financial assistance in carrying it out.

Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Republican of Wisconsin, who led the effort in Congress to pass the 2005 law, as well as top officials at the Department of Homeland Security in Washington, said they were disturbed by the growing signs of a revolt.

“Certainly, it is a threat,” Mr. Sensenbrenner said Saturday in an interview.

Representative Thomas M. Davis III, Republican of Virginia, wrote a letter last week to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff asking him what would happen to the federal program if individual states opted out.

Mr. Sensenbrenner attributed the growing resistance to the department’s tardiness in publishing rules telling the states what they must do under the law, which calls for new licenses to be issued starting in May 2008. He said that had led to misconceptions about the program’s costs and vulnerabilities. Mr. Sensenbrenner estimated that the real costs for states nationwide would not exceed about $100 million.

Federal officials acknowledge that with the final regulations not coming out until this summer, it is likely that some states will not be ready to begin issuing licenses on schedule.

The Real ID Act requires states to confirm that documents submitted to get driver’s licenses — like a birth certificate or a passport — are legitimate and that the applicants are in the United States legally. States will also have to check a linked database of state licensing data to make sure that applicants do not already have a license in another state and that they have not been banned from driving elsewhere.

The law effectively requires that all existing licenses be replaced by 2013.

The push to pass the law grew out of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when some of the hijackers used driver’s licenses as identification when they checked in for their flights.

Stewart A. Baker, an assistant secretary of homeland security, said opponents of the new law should remember this recent history.

“I understand there is a sense that states are being asked to do something and not being given the resources by the federal government,” Mr. Baker said. “But people are forgetting that this was a 9/11 commission recommendation and a recommendation for a very good reason.”

But Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union said the states were raising legitimate issues. The law sets a national standard for machine-readability, most likely using bar-code-like strips where information about the owner can be scanned. This may tempt merchants to collect the data and use it for marketing purposes, Mr. Steinhardt said. The linked national database of all licensing information will also be a target for identity theft, he said.

“Real ID is a real nightmare on a number of fronts,” Mr. Steinhardt said.

Lawrence Halloran, deputy minority staff director at the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said the growing protests were a way for states to try to force more federal aid for the cost of issuing the new licenses.

“They are saying, ‘Pay me,’ ” he said.

Senators Daniel K. Akaka, Democrat of Hawaii, and John E. Sununu, Republican of New Hampshire, introduced a bill in December calling for the repeal of the Real ID Act.

The bill has yet to be reintroduced in the new session, with a spokesman for Mr. Akaka saying last week that he was likely to wait to see the draft rules that the Homeland Security Department publishes for public comment before deciding whether to push the cause.
 
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#88  
They didn't fight the safeguards against fraud, they fought the feds having free, suspicionless access to it, which was buried in the same legislation. Two different animals.

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Really I didn't see that. I don't think the Law Enforcement Agencies of the Federal Government having access would be an invasion of anyone privacy. The only way to prevent crime is tro share information and strip away that cloak of invisibilty that the criminal element hides behind while hollering invasion of privacy. Here is the complete article:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 4 Opposition among state officials is turning into an open revolt against a federal law calling for the creation of standardized driverç—´ licenses nationwide that are meant to be less vulnerable to fraud.

Maine legislators started off the rebellion late last month by passing a nonbinding resolution that rejected the law, called the Real ID Act, which Congress passed in 2005. They said that it would cost the state $185 million to put into place and that instead of making Maineç—´ residents more secure, it would leave them more vulnerable to identity theft.

Since then, legislatures in five states Georgia, Montana, New Mexico, Washington and Wyoming have voted in committee or on the floor of one chamber to move similar legislation ahead. The bill adopted in a 99-to-1 vote by the Montana House of Representatives would go furthest, ordering state officials there to ignore the federal law.

Unless the federal law is revised, any state that defies it will risk causing major inconvenience for its residents, as noncompliant licenses will not be accepted as a proof of identification at airports, federal buildings or when applying for federal benefits.

What state officials are hoping is that Congress will repeal or modify the law, or at least provide some of the billions of dollars the states claim it will cost to establish the new licensing system nationwide.

The campaign features an odd mix of liberal Democrats, offended by a measure in the law that would effectively block illegal immigrants from getting federally compliant driverç—´ licenses, and conservative Republicans, who see the law as an affront to civil liberties and to states rights.

å…¸his is a frontal assault on our freedoms, said State Representative Jim Guest of Missouri, a Republican who said he was working with more than two dozen states to pass laws opposing the federal statute. å¾¹ne state standing alone is not enough. But we are already gaining strong momentum here.

Some states are not going as far as others. Vermont passed a law that would not defy the federal statute but called for more federal financial assistance in carrying it out.

Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Republican of Wisconsin, who led the effort in Congress to pass the 2005 law, as well as top officials at the Department of Homeland Security in Washington, said they were disturbed by the growing signs of a revolt.

鼎ertainly, it is a threat, Mr. Sensenbrenner said Saturday in an interview.

Representative Thomas M. Davis III, Republican of Virginia, wrote a letter last week to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff asking him what would happen to the federal program if individual states opted out.

Mr. Sensenbrenner attributed the growing resistance to the departmentç—´ tardiness in publishing rules telling the states what they must do under the law, which calls for new licenses to be issued starting in May 2008. He said that had led to misconceptions about the programç—´ costs and vulnerabilities. Mr. Sensenbrenner estimated that the real costs for states nationwide would not exceed about $100 million.

Federal officials acknowledge that with the final regulations not coming out until this summer, it is likely that some states will not be ready to begin issuing licenses on schedule.

The Real ID Act requires states to confirm that documents submitted to get driverç—´ licenses like a birth certificate or a passport are legitimate and that the applicants are in the United States legally. States will also have to check a linked database of state licensing data to make sure that applicants do not already have a license in another state and that they have not been banned from driving elsewhere.

The law effectively requires that all existing licenses be replaced by 2013.

The push to pass the law grew out of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when some of the hijackers used driverç—´ licenses as identification when they checked in for their flights.

Stewart A. Baker, an assistant secretary of homeland security, said opponents of the new law should remember this recent history.

的 understand there is a sense that states are being asked to do something and not being given the resources by the federal government, Mr. Baker said. 釘ut people are forgetting that this was a 9/11 commission recommendation and a recommendation for a very good reason.

But Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union said the states were raising legitimate issues. The law sets a national standard for machine-readability, most likely using bar-code-like strips where information about the owner can be scanned. This may tempt merchants to collect the data and use it for marketing purposes, Mr. Steinhardt said. The linked national database of all licensing information will also be a target for identity theft, he said.

è¿*eal ID is a real nightmare on a number of fronts, Mr. Steinhardt said.

Lawrence Halloran, deputy minority staff director at the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said the growing protests were a way for states to try to force more federal aid for the cost of issuing the new licenses.

å…¸hey are saying, å–„ay me, he said.

Senators Daniel K. Akaka, Democrat of Hawaii, and John E. Sununu, Republican of New Hampshire, introduced a bill in December calling for the repeal of the Real ID Act.

The bill has yet to be reintroduced in the new session, with a spokesman for Mr. Akaka saying last week that he was likely to wait to see the draft rules that the Homeland Security Department publishes for public comment before deciding whether to push the cause.
 
   / Law Enforcement #89  
RE# Gator6x4 Did you realize that your posts are being duplicated? They are being "double posted". BTW, your posts are quite informative.
 
   / Law Enforcement #90  
RE# Gator6x4 Did you realize that your posts are being duplicated? They are being "double posted". BTW, your posts are quite informative.
Its a known issue with using quick reply button. Muhammad is working with the developers to get it fixed.

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