Law Enforcement

   / Law Enforcement #61  
Domush, I feel for you, the ID fraud is a tough nut to crack especially when it's a multi-jurisdictional issue, I've faced the same issue, albeit not to the extend you have...with the extent you've been hit consider trying the feds...Regionally speaking, the FBI has top notch white collar units everywhere I've been and they're able to cross local jurisdictional lines...

You're obviously an intellectual person so I hope you understand that you and I will just have to agree to disagree about LEOs...

Sorry it took so long to reply, however my morning started at 0230, to get ready for an 0500 raid on a house, the house had methamphetamine, marijuana, automatic weapons, hand grenades, a large amount of cash, was under internal camera surveillance and was lived in/owned by an illegal Mexican immigrant who had his wife and four children in the residence...all went well, nobody hurt but was tense for a few moments...

Off to enjoy my weekend and my new tractor !!

Ya'll have a safe and enjoyable weekend, I may try to install a second remote on the lil' red beast !

Rich
 
   / Law Enforcement #63  
Eek, a meth house :(

We have a neighborhood locally which the utility people don't go if the sun isn't shining. If the power goes out near there, it is out until daybreak. Not sure why nothing is/can be done about it, but that is what both the phone and power guys tell me.

I don't envy you rushing into a house like that, especially when they know you are coming. I'd be bringing a second set of pants.. just in case.

I'll give the white collar division a try. I've already tried the FBI field office and was told unless it is terrorist related they simply don't have the manpower. Apparently if you were going to have your identity stolen, pre-2001 was the time to have it happen. They've even passed up multi-million dollar fraud (remember, I worked in finance, this wasn't unusual for me) cases because of 're-prioritizing' (their words).
 
   / Law Enforcement #64  
Domush, you have my sympathy, my daughter went through the identity thing about ten years ago and last year finally got to the point she could get a car loan; she was really excited. It truly is a mess.
 
   / Law Enforcement #65  
Domush, of course we don't know enough of the details to know whether any individual officers did anything wrong, or failed to do their job, but I, too, can certainly sympathize with your problem. Multi-jurisdictional crimes can sure be a problem. I think most officers would like nothing better than to be able to help you and send the criminal to prison.

And I can well imagine your frustration with the situation, as any of us would suffer the same frustration under similar circumstances.
 
   / Law Enforcement #66  
20 20. You're missing the point. Most people wouldn't even show up for work if you told them that is what was going to happen to them during the course of their day.And no I absolutely was not being dramatic in my post

How about those that work at homes (the ones that take care of troubled minds etc...), hospitals, and the list goes on. I didn't miss the point, that is why I can understand what you're saying, but IMO, and maybe it's the way I read it, you dramatised.

. Yet I show up for work every day. No I'm not corrupt. I'm not raking in the money with my high salary. Unless you consider $38,000 a lot of money.

Not knowing you on a personal level I'll take your word for it, as I have written I would still like to believe there are more good then bad officers. I have a hard time thinking this because of my personal experiences, BUT, I still want to believe. In one of my 1st post I stated individuals may not be the problem but the entity of the whole is.

The point was there is a group of people who tolerate the abuse every day for very little benefit.

There are many jobs that do this, your risk might be being spit on, another persons might be the risk of falling 100+ feet. My posts are not about "who wants to be a hero" they are about corruption. You say your honest so let me ask, if you saw one of your brothers(or sisters) in arms doing wrong would you be the rat(turn them in), stick with them, or just ignore the issue? You don't have to anwer if you don't want to, my point is cops more then likely stick together like glue. This can be proven allmost anywhere, just look who gets stopped for drinking while driving. I AM NOT, in any means saying that NO cops ever get a DUI, what I am saying is that I have seen this happen on more then 1 occassion. I am also not saying you would act in the wrong just pointing out the obvious. I honestly do believe some cops feel Joe Public isn't all that smart and he'd never see them doing wrong, others may just not give a hoot about what Joe Public thinks.

Yet people still make assumptions about the job and assume we are all corrupt and drunk with power. Yes there are a bunch of idiots in the profession who shouldn't even be given a whistle let alone a gun. But until someone can figure out how to weed those out, please don't lump us all into the same category as them.

Okay, I'll get off the cross now because winter is coming and we need the wood.

Thank you for your honesty, again I personally try not to lump all into one. I have many cop friends and would say for the most part they're decent people. Something caught my eye on this last quote, you agree there are bad eggs (Yes there are a bunch of idiots in the profession), have you ever tried to scramble them? The reason I brought this up is my officer friends have said the same thing, and even though their not bad themselves, they do nothing to stop those that are. If I watch a rape, beating, murder happen and do nothing, would I be any better then the monster committing the crime? AGAIN please do not take my post as a personal attack and I mean NO disrespect towards you, I'm just making some observations and asking simple minded questions(that's all I'm capable of :laughing:) As I have said before I believe the whole justice system is a joke(there are plenty of examples to back this up). This also puts a burden on officers and maybe it's why some have the I don't give a rats butt attitude (??) I have been told "ahh shutup it's the best we got", well sorry I don't believe anything is the best until it's perfect. It (justice system)needs a major overhaul and not by adding more retarded laws but actually working with the ones allready on the books. The corruption and greed need to be done away with, this needs to be done all the way from the bottom to the top.
 
   / Law Enforcement #67  
Just my 2 cents....having been both a Military and Civilian Police Officer...I just want to ad that the TV show COPS does not accurately depict a typical shift in an officers Day....Some of what they show on Cops will never be experienced by small town cops.....What is shown are highlights and the most exciting events captured but they may have had to spend many hours and days, weeks and months to garner just enough exciting events to make up on COPs show...that is why you see so many different departments on each show...Like Bird and others have pointed out....Sheer boredom and mundane tasks like writing tickets or follow up investigations or routine patrol and once in awhile a few seconds or minutes of sheer terror....that about sums it up....every day is not a Dirty Harry ....Make my Day ....Day...

Most I worked with were decent guys....there were a few that were over zealous and they did not last ...this was in the 60's and 70's....we had riots, protesters , drugs, the viet nam war...all that and more going on...We were called Pigs back then routinely....
 
   / Law Enforcement #68  
20 20 brings up an excellent point. If so many LEOs are such great people, it should be no issue at all to get rid of the select few corrupt ones. Interesting how many decades have elapsed and there are still stories, and videos, every single day of the exact scum cops which are supposedly so rare getting away with their actions and continuing to do anything but 'serve and protect'. They must be evil geniuses to outsmart such a vast majority of good cops and constantly escape prosecution and dismissal.

Or the simpler explanation is true.. there is no vast majority and the supposed good cops just stand back and let it happen, aka enable it to happen.

How many police ticket other officers for failure to wear a seat belt or no turn signal or illegal parking? Corruption always starts small.

What level do you ignore as a 'fellow officer'?

Double parking? Illegal u-turn? Tailgaiting? Speeding? Only a little over the .08 limit? Just a little high? A quick snort to get over the hangover? "He just tapped the guy!"? "I'm not arresting him, you're a jerk and probably deserved the beating!"? Pocketing a little for later? "He looked like a dealer anyhow, he won't need that cash where he's headed"? "No drugs, no paperwork"? "Give me attitude and I'll find something to charge you with!"? "As long as your dealing doesn't affect the force"? "As long as you share some of that with me"? "If you don't help me plant the evidence, I'll go to jail!"? "Hey, that looked like a gun to me"? "One less low-life breathing air."?

How much corruption do 'good cops' allow to happen when it comes to 'fellow LEOs'? How much corruption still counts as 'good person' in your book?

How many times have the 'good' cops here used their position to directly avoid getting a fine? "Oh, yeah, I am a so and so, I can park here." "It's cool, I'm a detective". Can anyone say they've never done that? Welcome to being a dirty cop, level 1. I had a SWAT friend who would host a massive fireworks bash in a state where they are illegal. When I confronted him with the fact they were illegal, his response "It's cool, half of the police are coming anyway". Maybe he was one of the mythical "very few the system will weed out". Funny, it seemed like the entire force loved him. They sure cheered on the fireworks.

Maybe they cited him for it later, you know, criticism only in private and all.. :rolleyes:
 
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   / Law Enforcement #69  
The biggest problem is group protection. It happens will all groups, unions, car clubs, cops, Democrats, Republicans, gays, religious people, lawyers, Doctors etc. etc.

People lose their individuality when they are involved in ANY GROUP. Their goal seems to protect and agree with the group no matter how off base that group is.

We've all seen it. A few spokes people for a group takes a stand and forces all in the group to agree or be banished or black balled. This prevents any individual thinking.

This is the biggest problem today in politics. WHY does each party vote on party lines rather than let everyone participate.

With cops, it's the BLUE WALL. Way back to Rodney king the cops knew the guys beating King were thugs. The Ca. highway patrol cops that were beating the car load of illegals like they were beating a stubborn mule with batons - all caught on tape.

Sad that the bad ones aren't weeded out sooner as it reflects poorly on all.
 
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   / Law Enforcement
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#70  
Seeing as personal examples seem to resonate so well, let me share how few police are dismissed or even reprimanded, or even do their jobs at all:

I once had a guy steal my identity (those truly horrid stories you've read about.. one is mine). He rented a car in my name and was arrested in Atlanta for DUI. The arresting officer accepted his story of being me, arrested him as me and he was later bailed out as me. A year later I find I have a warrant for my arrest because of this. Easy mistake, right? The guy who stole my identity was black. I am a blonde haired, blue eyed white guy. What happened to the arresting officer? Not one thing. Even exceptional incompetence results in nothing. To this day I have to deal with issues regarding my license because, until I finally got a different license last year, he was still getting tickets in my name. I still have one in Boston which I can't get removed unless I show in some courthouse in Boston to get it removed. This is the incompetence which is ignored and allowed to slip by. Six figures in fraud.. ignored.

Someone said police aren't allowed to ignore felonies.. and who forces them to do something? Other police? I've had entire departments refuse to even file a report regarding this same thief when he wrote a $100,000 check on my account. I literally have the original check with his handwriting and nobody would touch it. I've walked into the SFPD main office with an entire briefcase full of evidence, including other DUI arrests under different names and never got a single person to copy and log it.

The guy finally did time when he tried to buy a car in my name (again) and the dealership called the police. After a couple of years on a four year sentence, he was back at it and my license was suspended for unpaid speeding tickets. I still, over a decade later, deal with the aftermath. This all could have been avoided if police took 5 minutes to look over the briefcase full of fraud and arrested the guy, or better yet, arrested the guy for claiming to be me, or even noticed he wasn't me, on the first DUI (when the ID theft first began, well before I was aware of it) in Atlanta.

This is the "good, reliable police" I hear blanket praised so often. Do I hate all police? Of course not. Though I certainly haven't had a laundry list of good experiences, and the times I have relied on them it has cost me dearly. My life savings, to be exact.

Beyond belief how dumb and ignorant Police Officers are. Any idiot with an IQ of a brick could have looked at the issued driver´s license from the issuing State and know right away it was bogus. Why I bet if you were a police officer you could just look at a license and tell instantly whether it is valid/bogus and the person who presented it and whose picture is on the license is or is not entitled to have and carry the license.

And before you say they could check. This only happens on NCIS, CSI and other fantasy programs on television. The courts and the people restrict what a law enforcement officer can check and when. Something about violating an individual's right to privacy.

After 9-11 the Federal Government finally stepped in on standardized driver's licenses and drivers licenses information over very loud and vocal objections from States. Read this, the people have spoken that police officer must be kept blind, dumb and ignorant or someones privacy will be violated. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/washington/05real.html

Some States just will not share information with other States. They wax so philosophical about violating someone rights to privacy.

Some state and county records clerks have been fired for trying to computerizing information so reliable factual information will be able to assist that dumb as rock Police Officer standing on the side of the road at 3:00 in the morning trying to decide if the individual in front of him is really the person who's name is on the license.

If the Officer says it isn't he can and will get sued if he cannot prove it in a court of law. I am not talking about the court of public opinion where lies, gossip, hearsay, speculation, this should not be, my third cousin twice remove says its illegal is allowed and accepted.

Most states record data by county. One county will not share data with another electronically so when an officer confronts "Don't Walk" from county x in an alley at three in the morning he has no way of knowing his real name is "I Will Run" and he stole "Don't Walks" name three years ago. The world would stop spinning on its axis and it would be an egregious violation of his right to privacy to continue probing until his true identity was discovered.

You can accumulate a van full of papers. But the people have spoken. Each alleged offense will have to be presented in the alleged county and state it allegedly occurred. The people and the ACLU will not tolerate anything else.

So it is not surprising no one is interested in copying accumulated data. Another reason it is so hard on victims of identity theft is that scam artist have borrowed, stolen and begged all the money they can and then say, but someone stole my identity.

Things you not someone else must do when you become the victim of identity theft.

If Your Identity is Stolen...

1. Flag Your Credit Reports
Call one of the nationwide credit reporting companies, and ask for a fraud alert on your credit report. The company you call must contact the other two so they can put fraud alerts on your files. An initial fraud alert is good for 90 days.
Equifax 1 800 525 6285
Experian 1 888 397 3742
TransUnion 1 800 680 7289

2. Order Your Credit Reports
Each company's credit report about you is slightly different, so order a report from each company. When you order, you must answer some questions to prove your identity. Read your reports carefully to see if the information is correct. If you see mistakes or signs of fraud, contact the credit reporting company.

3. Create an Identity Theft Report
An Identity Theft Report can help you get fraudulent information removed from your credit report, stop a company from collecting debts caused by identity theft, and get information about accounts a thief opened in your name. To create an Identity Theft Report:
file a complaint with the FTC at ftc.gov/complaint or 1-877-438-4338; TTY: 1-866-653-4261. Your completed complaint is called an FTC Affidavit.
take your FTC Affidavit to your local police, or to the police where the theft occurred, and file a police report. Get a copy of the police report.
The two documents comprise an Identity Theft Report.
Red Flags of Identity Theft
mistakes on your bank, credit card, or other account statements
mistakes on the explanation of medical benefits from your health plan
your regular bills and account statements don't arrive on time
bills or collection notices for products or services you never received
calls from debt collectors about debts that don't belong to you
a notice from the IRS that someone used your Social Security number
mail, email, or calls about accounts or jobs in your minor child's name
unwarranted collection notices on your credit report
businesses turn down your checks
you are turned down unexpectedly for a loan or job


Have you done any of this? http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/idtheft/idt04.pdf

Remember police officers are too dumb and ignorant to know this exists.

Police departments or Law Enforcement agencies do not play baseball, x strikes and you are out. All agencies I know have a zero tolerance. Their position is we trained you, equipped you with departmental policies, procedures and guides and your failure to follow is why you are being terminated.

Anyone who feels they have been wrongly detained, arrested or abused by a Police Officer is always free to go before a magistrate be placed under oath, give credible evidence and obtain a warrant.

Loss of such a case in Court will result in an immediate civil case against you seeking damages. And we all know jurors are so much smarter than law enforcement. I think this was recently proven in a Florida case.
 
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