which tractor when weight limited by tow vehicle??

[GonHuntin]

I actually got some helpful info from 5 or 6 guys on this thread.....some of it was first hand experience with tractors in the class I specified and that was exactly what I was looking for......two of them suggested tractors I hadn't considered......sure, I could have googled different tractor data (in fact I have) but that doesn't really tell me what a tractor will do on the ground.......then there were others who wanted to answer questions that weren't asked and got their panties in a wad when I pointed out that they weren't answering my question......I've never been accused of being diplomat.....just don't have the patience for it.....I appreciate those who took the time to actually READ what I wrote and answered the question asked.......

 

[GonHuntin]

did you ever go to the Tractordata.com website and look up the specs on the tractor models available in your area. That is the simplest solution to your question. Tractordata.com lists most of the specs on MOST of the tractors ever sold. For what you are looking for, that is simply the easiest solution. Your local salesman at the dealership is likely not going to have the answers for you without looking them up so do it yourself before you go.

Gary

Yes, I have spent quite a few hours on tractordata.com......it is a great resource but it's hard for me to get a good feel for the size of a tractor from spec charts......for instance, I was watching a Kubota L series on eBay last week, it only had 54 hours on it and was at a great price with no reserve.....but, when I actually looked at an L series on the ground, I realized quickly that it was too big.......another problem I'm running into is that my local dealers don't have all models in stock.......I have sat on a B3200, but have yet to see a B3300.......tractordata says there is very little difference, but reading reports from actual owners show that there is more difference than the data would suggest. I'll be near another dealer next week and I'll stop in and see if he has a B3300......there is also an LS dealer in that town so I'll look at them too.

Thanks for the input.

 

[meburdick]

It would be nice if people would just answer the question asked instead of worrying about whether I know enough to set the parameters I specified.

I didn't say anything about not needing the FEL and brush hog at the same time because it makes absolutely no difference in answering the question I asked......as stated, I need to keep the weight of the tractor at or below 2250......if you will notice, when I discussed the total weight of the tractor brush hog and trailer, I made no mention of the FEL in that equation.....but I guess maybe you missed that, or just assumed something that was NOT specified??

Actually, that's EXACTLY what you said. And it makes a HUGE difference because your "weight limit" of 2250 is not achievable in the 30 HP class if you're looking to have a brush hog OR a FEL on the tractor. If you want to take JUST the tractor, you might make it.

I have been towing trailers for 30 plus years, I don't need, and did not ask for a lesson in towing or tow ratings.........so instead of asking a bunch of questions that have absolutely NOTHING to do with my original question, why not just answer the question I asked??

So, you've been towing for 30 years but you have a comparatively "small" tow vehicle. In addition, you don't seem to understand that the size and kind of trailer that you will need will be in the 2000-2500lb range, nowhere NEAR the 1500 you estimated.

If you want an answer to a specific question, then ask that specific question. You muddied these waters yourself when you added in all of the detail about tow vehicle, max rating, blah blah blah.

I've seen people come into a forum and ask what they believe is a simple question and then get quite pi**y when folks offer up legitimate responses with warning that they feel are completely unwarranted. Your demeanor and attitude toward this forum and all of the members that are truly interested in helping you is appalling.

 

[joshuabardwell]

In addition, you don't seem to understand that the size and kind of trailer that you will need will be in the 2000-2500lb range, nowhere NEAR the 1500 you estimated.

I don't care to jump into the he-said-she-said stuff, but this is a valid point. My 16' utility trailer (dual-axle, 7000 lb GVWR) weighs about 1650 lbs unloaded. Although it's rated for 7000 lbs, there is no way it is capable of hauling my tractor without damaging itself--and I know, because I've tried it. I really need a flatbed hauler, and it's going to have a significantly higher curb weight than 1650.

EDIT TO ADD: Let me elaborate on what I mean by, "no way capable." Although the trailer is rated for 7000 lbs, it doesn't mean that you can arbitrarily put 7000 lbs anywhere you want on the trailer without problems. If I had 7000 lbs of goods, on pallets, I could set the pallets evenly across the trailer and be fine. But a tractor puts all of its weight on the tire's contact patch, which means that when my 4,000 lb (with loader and implement) tractor is parked on the trailer, there are basically four, 1000-lb contact patches, of perhaps a square foot each. This creates stresses that the trailer is not designed to take.

 

[GonHuntin]

Actually, that's EXACTLY what you said. And it makes a HUGE difference because your "weight limit" of 2250 is not achievable in the 30 HP class if you're looking to have a brush hog OR a FEL on the tractor. If you want to take JUST the tractor, you might make it.

WRONG AGAIN.........go back and READ what I wrote......what I wrote was:

I figure the trailer weighs at least 1500, the brush hog at least 500, so that leaves me with 3000 for the tractor and I'd really like to stay at no more than 80-85% of towing capacity, so I'm looking at 2250 max for the weight of the tractor.

You see the part where I wrote "the brush hog at least 500"???

Unless I missed somewhere in my addition, 5000 pound max towing capacity - 1500 pounds for the trailer - 500 pounds for the brush hog = 3000 pounds......now, since I specified that I wanted to stay at 80-85% of towing capacity.....and, since I can't easily reduce the weight of the trailer or the brush hog, I'd expect that the weight would have to be reduced on the tractor........since 85% of 5000 pounds is 4250 and, since I figured on at least 2000 pounds combined weight for the brush hog and trailer (1500 + 500)......that leaves me with 2250 pounds for the weight of the TRACTOR!

Did you get it, or do you need to go get a calculator??.....go ahead, I'll wait.


So, you've been towing for 30 years but you have a comparatively "small" tow vehicle. In addition, you don't seem to understand that the size and kind of trailer that you will need will be in the 2000-2500lb range, nowhere NEAR the 1500 you estimated.

So, because I have a smaller tow vehicle now means I can't have 30 years experience towing?? Really, how do you get to that conclusion?? Not that I need to prove ANYTHING to you, but, among other things I have towed over the years, I use to drag race and towed a trailer carrying a 3000 pound race car and all the extra stuff necessary to run it......with a different tow vehicle than I have now........I don't drag race anymore, so I don't need a larger tow vehicle on a regular basis......now, please tell me why I need a 2500 pound trailer to tow a tractor and brush hog that weighs less than 3000 pounds...... heck, I have towed a 2000 pound load on a single axle 5x10 utility trailer!!

If you want an answer to a specific question, then ask that specific question. You muddied these waters yourself when you added in all of the detail about tow vehicle, max rating, blah blah blah.

I did ask a specific question which was "I'm currently looking at the Kubota B3300 which, according to Kubota, weighs around 1900 without the FEL, but would appreciate any other suggestions in the 30 horsepower class that fit within the weight limit.".......YOU decided that I needed to give you more info about my tow vehicle in order for you to answer the simple question I asked.....then you got all butt hurt when I told you that no other info was needed to answer the question I asked and, NOW, you tell me I muddied the water with the details I gave about the tow vehicle.......what a laugh!! First it's not enough detail for you to answer the question and now it's too much........that is GOOD!!!

I've seen people come into a forum and ask what they believe is a simple question and then get quite pi**y when folks offer up legitimate responses with warning that they feel are completely unwarranted. Your demeanor and attitude toward this forum and all of the members that are truly interested in helping you is appalling.

So, PLEASE feel free to tell me EXACTLY what is so difficult about the question I asked?? This is exactly what I asked in the original post so you don't get confused.

" I'm currently looking at the Kubota B3300 which, according to Kubota, weighs around 1900 without the FEL, but would appreciate any other suggestions in the 30 horsepower class that fit within the weight limit."



Have a nice day........

 

[GonHuntin]

I don't care to jump into the he-said-she-said stuff, but this is a valid point. My 16' utility trailer (dual-axle, 7000 lb GVWR) weighs about 1650 lbs unloaded. Although it's rated for 7000 lbs, there is no way it is capable of hauling my tractor without damaging itself--and I know, because I've tried it. I really need a flatbed hauler, and it's going to have a significantly higher curb weight than 1650.

EDIT TO ADD: Let me elaborate on what I mean by, "no way capable." Although the trailer is rated for 7000 lbs, it doesn't mean that you can arbitrarily put 7000 lbs anywhere you want on the trailer without problems. If I had 7000 lbs of goods, on pallets, I could set the pallets evenly across the trailer and be fine. But a tractor puts all of its weight on the tire's contact patch, which means that when my 4,000 lb (with loader and implement) tractor is parked on the trailer, there are basically four, 1000-lb contact patches, of perhaps a square foot each. This creates stresses that the trailer is not designed to take.

If you are talking about hauling your CT225, then, according to tractordata.com, you tractor weighs just over 3000 with no attachments.......are you saying your trailer won't carry your tractor with no attachments??

Remember, the tractors I'm looking at weigh about 2000, or less, with no attachments??? As stated in an earlier post, I have hauled 2000 on my singe axle 5x10 with no problems......can't imagine a 16' dual axle trailer, rated at 7000 pounds, that won't handle a 3000 pound load.....

 

[meburdick]

Go back and re-read your own posts. You specifically stated that you were considering the weight of ALL attachments, then you said that you DIDN'T need everything on the tractor at the same time.

Here's where you said you DIDN'T need them at the same time...

I realize that the tractor, fel, brush hog and trailer will possibly weigh more than the max towing capacity, but there is no reason I have to have the fel and brush hog on the tractor at the same time.

And here's where you said you never stated that you didn't need them at the same time (implying that you DID need them at the same time).

I didn't say anything about not needing the FEL and brush hog at the same time because it makes absolutely no difference in answering the question I asked......as stated, I need to keep the weight of the tractor at or below 2250......if you will notice, when I discussed the total weight of the tractor brush hog and trailer, I made no mention of the FEL in that equation.....but I guess maybe you missed that, or just assumed something that was NOT specified??

You're all over the map. And you STILL Haven't said if you're looking for a 30HP motor or 30 HP at the PTO.

This will be my last post as I'm unsubscribing. There's no point in wasting any more of my time trying to get a straight question out of you when your only interest is in being demeaning and derogatory. You have an incessant need to show some level of superiority over people that only want to help. Good luck.

 

[crazyal]

Kubotas tend to be lighter than most so it's probably going to be one of your best choices to fit within your weight limits. I see no reason why you couldn't put a 3300 with a brush hog on the back on a 7000lb trailer. In fact I wouldn't hesitate using a trailer of that size with the fel attached, rear wheel ballast, and a brush hog and try towing it to see how your vehicle handles it.

 

[GonHuntin]

Go back and re-read your own posts. You specifically stated that you were considering the weight of ALL attachments, then you said that you DIDN'T need everything on the tractor at the same time.

OK, I went back and read all my posts.......nowhere did I say I was considering the weight of ALL attachments........I never said I had any plans of hauling the tractor, FEL and brush hog at the same time......if you think I did, I believe you need to go back and read all of my posts again and actually read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote!

Here's where you said you DIDN'T need them at the same time...



And here's where you said you never stated that you didn't need them at the same time (implying that you DID need them at the same time).

If you go back and look at the context here, you will find that the statement you quoted was in direct reply to your complaint that I wasn't clear in my original post; you wrote: "With regard to not needing the FEL at the remote property, that was not clear from your original post." I replied "I didn't say anything about not needing the FEL and brush hog at the same time because it makes absolutely no difference in answering the question I asked".....there is no way what I wrote implied that I needed both at the same time.......I didn't say anything about not needing both attachments at the same time because the question was about the weight of the tractor, not the tractor and attachments......



You're all over the map. And you STILL Haven't said if you're looking for a 30HP motor or 30 HP at the PTO.

Well, since the Kubota I mentioned in the first post is rated at 33hp, I figured you would understand that I wasn't looking for a tractor with a 30hp pto rating......I believe you are just throwing up red herrings here to try to discredit me.......but, just in case you aren't, every tractor I have looked at, both in person and online, has been rated at the gross horsepower, not the pto horsepower......so, when I mention that I'm looking at a 30hp class of tractor, I figure people understand what I'm talking about.......you are the only person on the thread that needed to ask that question.

This will be my last post as I'm unsubscribing. There's no point in wasting any more of my time trying to get a straight question out of you when your only interest is in being demeaning and derogatory. You have an incessant need to show some level of superiority over people that only want to help. Good luck.

Actually, I asked a simple question........several people were able to read and answer it.........apparently, you were (and still are?) convinced that the question I asked wasn't the question I "should" be asking.......and your feelings got hurt when I refused to submit to YOUR idea of what I should be asking........

I'm not the one who started the derogatory nonsense, that honor belongs to cartod in post #20 when he wrote "You seem to know it all, why don't you tell us?".....which YOU repeated in post #32 when you wrote "Once again, though, you already know more than us."........so, please don't accuse me of being demeaning and derogatory when I responded, in kind, to the insults you were slinging my way.

The problem here is that you don't think I have asked the "right" questions.......apparently, you have a need to answer questions I didn't ask because you think I'm not smart enough, or well informed enough, to have thought this through.......you are simply wrong.

 

[GonHuntin]

Kubotas tend to be lighter than most so it's probably going to be one of your best choices to fit within your weight limits. I see no reason why you couldn't put a 3300 with a brush hog on the back on a 7000lb trailer. In fact I wouldn't hesitate using a trailer of that size with the fel attached, rear wheel ballast, and a brush hog and try towing it to see how your vehicle handles it.

I may be a bit more conservative than you , but I'd have absolutely no problem with the 3300 and brush hog on a 16' trailer.......if that towed as well as I expect it would, I'd drop the brush hog, add the FEL and a box blade and see how it worked.