My theory on Low Ballers

   / My theory on Low Ballers #161  
Go to your local Craigslist site and do a search for "money back" and money out." You'll probably find several variations of "I finished my project and don't need it any more. I just want to get my money back on it."

Bruce
 
   / My theory on Low Ballers #162  
That was like our trailer deal yesterday. He did not want to make any money but just get what he had in it. :)

What as funny in a way about the time I figured out the tech was just low grade (#3) untreated yellow pine his mom drove up. She lived it him or him, wife and kids lived with her.

Now we are taking a 70 year old lady driving a new like full size pickup. As she walks by he states he thought it was treated when he traded for it and she pipes up sure it is because who would build a trailer without using treated wood. First time I was ever double teamed by a mon/son combo. :B

He sold used cars at his day job so I guess he used the line he was not trying to make any profit many times each day.
 
   / My theory on Low Ballers #163  
NOW THIS IS FUNNY......you say " I fail to see the point of this thread" .....THEN you say " my offer of 50,000 was literally laughed at and told me " i will get more than that on the auction"

You pissed off the seller he would rather sell it to a man from Mars for $1.00 than sell it to you for 50K - That's the point.

T-H-A-T-'S T-H-E P-O-I-N-T ( EXACTLY of this thread.) You did something wrong to the seller and you proved it right here and on top of that you were unaware you did something wrong to blow the deal FOR YOU. You left with your tail between your legs. Remember the seller has the power NOT YOU and again - you proved that.

OH SURE you ended up with the deal, but that 's a moot point. The point of the tread is to teach people like you to always walk away with the deal and stop pissing sellers off and go home with your tail between your legs.

It's Low ballers that do not know the ART OF NEGOTIATION. It's about LOW BALLERS who are like bulls in a China shop.
It's about THUG Low ballers who are rude and abusive, It's about Low ballers that don't have Panache.

There is an art to low balling and some here know and have that are other like you sadly don't even know you're bad at it.

It's not about percentages, Firm not firm, offers, etc. it's about the ART OF LOW BALLING to walk away with the deal.

I guess I'm just not learning anything here. To me the seller holds no cards. I can understand why saying something about the seller's Momma would not be a good negotiating tactic, but offering an amount that the seller perceives to be a low-ball offer shouldn't pi$$ off the seller. Thats just business, nothing personal about it. I guess if you have the last item of its type left on earth you can afford to reject any and all offers less than your price, but that is rarely the case. People make offers of less than they are willing to pay because they know that some sellers are motivated to sell more than others, and the only way to take advantage of that is to not offer too much. If seller gets his feelings hurt b the offer then you probably were not going to make a deal any way.

I just don't understand why a seller would reject a buyer because of a low offer. Just say NO. You might end up with a fair price anyway.
 
   / My theory on Low Ballers #164  
I agree with the OP that you accomplish nothing by insulting the seller and that insulting the seller can prevent the buyer from making a deal. That seems to be the OP's point if I read the original post correctly.

The OP does not exactly define what a "low ball" offer is so I can only assume. Is a "low ball" offer one that is x% below asking price? Is it x% below retail price? Is it x% below wholesale price? Is it a price that could/would/might insult the seller? Is it an price offered to intentionally intimidate the seller? I'm not really sure.

When dealing with buying and selling stuff, there are basically 4 prices types:
#1. Motivated buyer price (typically the asking price)
#2. Patient informed buyer price (typically a less than the asking price)
#3. Patient informed seller price (asking price or reasonably close to it)
#4. Motivated seller price (much less than prices #1, #2, or #3)

I personally have partaken in all 4 price types. I mostly buy and sell in price ranges #2 and #3. As a rule I try to avoid #1. However, I will often look for #4 prices when purchasing big ticket items when possible.

Examples of my experience with these price types include:
#1. My truck broke down on the interstate 4 hours from home with a failed catylic converter.
#2. Buying something online that I'm not in a hurry to get
#3. Sold our first house during a seller's market
#4. Sold our 5th wheel camper that had some issues and I wanted it gone quickly without much hassle

When I sold our 5th wheel camper, I sold it for almost nothing. We had lived in the camper for over a decade and were ready to end that phase of our lives. We just wanted the camper off our property so I would no longer have to look at it or maintain it. Had I been willing to wait and fix a few things on it, I could have sold it for double the price I gave it away for. I sold it to a younger couple who was building a house and wanted to live on-site while building just as we did. I was ecstatic at selling the camper, even at a "low ball" price. It was a win-win. I openly disclosed all the issues to the buyer but knew our final price was low enough to more than compensate for the issues.

Some people seem to think that selling something at a low price automatically means that someone got taken advantage of. Some people seem to think that buying something at a low price and selling it for a profit is somehow unethical (don't ever trade in your car at a dealer's lot if you feel this way because that's what all car dealer's do). Some people seem to think that obtaining a bargain price means that somebody loses and somebody else wins. I don't necessarily believe any of these things.

Selling something at 50% of retail price can be a win-win for both parties. There's more to valuing an item than just the selling price, such as hassle factor, urgency, etc. With all these intangibles involved, it is really tough to know if your price is a "low ball". Anybody in business for themselves must commonly buy low (materials and/or labor) or they will not stay in business long, especially during a slow market. That's just a fact. Someone who doesn't understand this reality is a bit naive in my opinion.

Regarding insulting the seller, I don't spent too much time worrying about that. I won't intentionally insult someone. However, many people don't really understand how quickly items bought at retail prices depreciate in value by just removing the item off the lot or out of the store. They don't understand that their new $3000 dining room set lost 50% of its resell price the day it left the store. So when you offer them a reasonable price of $1000 three years later they get "insulted". I can't predict or control other people's emotions so I just offer up to the amount the item is worth to me based the price and availability of similar items and how badly or quickly I need the item. If the person gets insulted, I've done nothing immoral or unethical. I'm not trying to get over on them. Some people carry their feelings on their shoulders and I'm not going to lose sleep if it happens.

Agreed, and very well stated!
 
   / My theory on Low Ballers #165  
I guess I'm just not learning anything here. To me the seller holds no cards. I can understand why saying something about the seller's Momma would not be a good negotiating tactic, but offering an amount that the seller perceives to be a low-ball offer shouldn't pi$$ off the seller. Thats just business, nothing personal about it. I guess if you have the last item of its type left on earth you can afford to reject any and all offers less than your price, but that is rarely the case. People make offers of less than they are willing to pay because they know that some sellers are motivated to sell more than others, and the only way to take advantage of that is to not offer too much. If seller gets his feelings hurt b the offer then you probably were not going to make a deal any way.

I just don't understand why a seller would reject a buyer because of a low offer. Just say NO. You might end up with a fair price anyway.

Agreed, I have not yet figured out why Cat seems so emotional about his original point, or at least the way he stated it in the post you responded to.
 
   / My theory on Low Ballers #166  
Agreed, I have not yet figured out why Cat seems so emotional about his original point, or at least the way he stated it in the post you responded to.

post #156 may have covered that perhaps.. :)
 
   / My theory on Low Ballers #167  
post #156 may have covered that perhaps.. :)

2x on that.

If someone ASK me to change something of value for my cold hard cash it will be ME and not THEM that decides how much of my cold hard cash it is worth. Some are just not emotionally stable enough about the item they are selling sometimes. The 'emotional' value of an item to the seller is rarely shared by the prospective buyer. Buying from a business also cuts down the risk of the time being stolen or pledged security.
 

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