Found a coyote, I think

[sdkubota]

Kind of sad that a wild animal is now forced to live in enclosures rather than how nature intended. I guess the term "unintended consequences" holds true again.

 

[Mace Canute]

Kind of sad that a wild animal is now forced to live in enclosures rather than how nature intended. I guess the term "unintended consequences" holds true again.

Very sad indeed that now she will be well fed and watered, have medical attention if/when needed, be free from parasites and from the possibility of being attacked by other predators (even her own kind) and possibly dying from injury/infection or starving because those injuries/infections prevented her from hunting. She will have to put up with having a secure comfortable place to relax and sleep out of the extremes of weather not to mention having to put up with the affection she will receive from all her caretakers.

 

[Tororider]

Raspy,

Do you get to have interactions with her when you go to visit? Thanks for continuing to tell the story.

 

[sdkubota]

Very sad indeed that now she will be well fed and watered, have medical attention if/when needed, be free from parasites and from the possibility of being attacked by other predators (even her own kind) and possibly dying from injury/infection or starving because those injuries/infections prevented her from hunting. She will have to put up with having a secure comfortable place to relax and sleep out of the extremes of weather not to mention having to put up with the affection she will receive from all her caretakers.

Are you saying she will become a registered democrat?

 

[Raspy]

Sandy is only temporarily in that enclosure. She will soon be moved to one with more room and more dirt for digging her own den. They are searching for a permanent male mate for her to live with. She gets lots of interaction with the staff and training sessions for her well being and to allow her to eventually meet and work with the public. Other dogs are living with her in that enclosure now.

Further she was pretty much dead when we rescued her. Frozen stiff and completely helpless.

From that situation we got a beautiful animal that has given enormous joy to many. She has provided insights into her world that most people find interesting and valuable. Some, like sdkubota, cannot see the value, want them all dead and are filled with fear. Fine. The whole idea is that most of us are curious about this animal and want to learn more, want to get a chance to look beyond the hatred and see what else is there. Just to learn something about which we know so little.

The result is that so many of us have been touched by what we've seen.

Thanks Mace, you summed it up well.

She is confined, but she is also doing well. I can't say it's perfect, but the enormous gift she has given and the joy she has felt and expressed, would not have happened if we simply let her get eaten by the birds. The depth of her intellect compels me to help her as I would any friend. And we are friends.

My friends were not allowed into her enclosure on their visit, and I expect that will be the case when we go. I don't know for sure. I'm hoping we can go in and sit with her or take her for a walk around the area.

Thanks for your continuing comments and interest!

 

[sdkubota]

All living creatures chose freedom over containment and will risk death to achieve it. There isn't a wild animal alive that would choose living in a cage over running wild as God intended. Go to the zoo and look at all the happy animal faces and they receive the absolute best of care. If you want to kid yourself, more power to you but you should have allowed nature to run its coarse.

 

[JESSE1]

I've really enjoyed reading about Sandy. One question, though. If they are trying to find a mate for her, will she or the male be spayed or neutered or are they wanting more pups?

 

[Raspy]

Jesse,
She has been, or will be spayed. They are not interested in breeding coyotes.

 

[Raspy]

sdkubota,

I'm sorry that you're unable to either get it, or offer anything beyond the same tired stereotype. Not able to offer any practical solutions that can do some good or help in any way. And not want to even try. A complete inability to understand how all of this came about and where to go next. All the while pretending to take the high road by telling us what animals would choose and what God intended for them, while exclaiming that they are mindless vicious killers trying to rip our throats out, in previous posts.

Sandy was unable to choose freedom as she froze to death in the desert night. We didn't trap her or take her away from something she already had. We gave her a future beyond being bird food. Later, when she recovered and matured, she was free. Untethered and living outside, she chose to stay with us. She was joyous and loved to play. Invented games and explored the wilds with us. But, in the end, she could not be allowed her freedom because of attitudes like yours that prevent vaccinations, veterinary care, or even helping an animal in need. And because many, like yourself, want coyotes dead and want to use them for target practice. Is that your definition of Gods will? In my book, you don't have the authority to speak for God and I'll personally thank him for that. And you most certainly don't have the ability to speak for Sandy.

Meanwhile, your friends here are presenting a true and touching story. Doing something interesting that involves real life. A real dog with real intelligence. A little friend with a lot to offer. A friend in need.

It's so easy to sit back and criticize something you fear and know nothing about. So easy to take the cheap shot high road. But it doesn't wash here. It's not about you, it's about Sandy. And you've offered nothing of value.

Why not take a moment to join us and share in learning something about these fascinating dogs? If you want to participate, offer a useful suggestion or comment. Otherwise you're just presenting static and hurting your own cause.

As far as her freedom now is concerned, I sincerely wish she could roam the mountains and sing with her friends in the night. Run joyously as fast as she could. Have a litter of her own and a loyal mate. But, she'll have to settle for having something no other coyote has ever had, maybe. That's a pack made up of humans who love her. Ones who demonstrated their loyalty and did their best for her. When she was attacked by members of her own breed, we protected her. Now we must protect her from members of our breed. Humans who would kill her immediately if given the chance. People who don't understand her at all, like yourself. So we've offered her a safe haven, medical care and animal friends to live with. We've tried to learn from her and allow others to do the same. She's wild and we want to know more. Many others want to know more to, and they will get the chance.

You may not think so, but I believe she's better off now than freezing to death in the desert.

 

[BMod]

sdkubota,

I'm sorry that you're unable to either get it, or offer anything beyond the same tired stereotype. Not able to offer any practical solutions that can do some good or help in any way. And not want to even try. A complete inability to understand how all of this came about and where to go next. All the while pretending to take the high road by telling us what animals would choose and what God intended for them, while exclaiming that they are mindless vicious killers trying to rip our throats out, in previous posts.

Sandy was unable to choose freedom as she froze to death in the desert night. We didn't trap her or take her away from something she already had. We gave her a future beyond being bird food. Later, when she recovered and matured, she was free. Untethered and living outside, she chose to stay with us. She was joyous and loved to play. Invented games and explored the wilds with us. But, in the end, she could not be allowed her freedom because of attitudes like yours that prevent vaccinations, veterinary care, or even helping an animal in need. And because many, like yourself, want coyotes dead and want to use them for target practice. Is that your definition of Gods will? In my book, you don't have the authority to speak for God and I'll personally thank him for that. And you most certainly don't have the ability to speak for Sandy.

Meanwhile, your friends here are presenting a true and touching story. Doing something interesting that involves real life. A real dog with real intelligence. A little friend with a lot to offer. A friend in need.

It's so easy to sit back and criticize something you fear and know nothing about. So easy to take the cheap shot high road. But it doesn't wash here. It's not about you, it's about Sandy. And you've offered nothing of value.

Why not take a moment to join us and share in learning something about these fascinating dogs? If you want to participate, offer a useful suggestion or comment. Otherwise you're just presenting static and hurting your own cause.

As far as her freedom now is concerned, I sincerely wish she could roam the mountains and sing with her friends in the night. Run joyously as fast as she could. Have a litter of her own and a loyal mate. But, she'll have to settle for having something no other coyote has ever had, maybe. That's a pack made up of humans who love her. Ones who demonstrated their loyalty and did their best for her. When she was attacked by members of her own breed, we protected her. Now we must protect her from members of our breed. Humans who would kill her immediately if given the chance. People who don't understand her at all, like yourself. So we've offered her a safe haven, medical care and animal friends to live with. We've tried to learn from her and allow others to do the same. She's wild and we want to know more. Many others want to know more to, and they will get the chance.

You may not think so, but I believe she's better off now than freezing to death in the desert.

Perfect Response Raspy, absolutely perfect.....

 

[jimmyj]

I love this story Raspy. Thanks for posting it and keeping it up.

 

[PhysAssist]

Perfect Response Raspy, absolutely perfect.....

Hi Raspy,

I agree wholeheartedly, and even though I came to this thread late [and lurked], I have been enthralled by your narrative. I have also shared highlights with my wife, Pat and she is really [for the first time] interested in TBN.

We were particularly struck by your open-minded and open-hearted adoption and approach to an animal that is one of the closest [and at times, by some most-vilified] cousins to our favorite animals, [The more people I meet [or read posts from], the more I love and appreciate dogs], too many of which we have mourned for and miss as you miss Sandy, because we also did what was best for them, even though it hurt us to do [euthanasia at the end of life].

Keep us informed and up to date re: her progress; we really wait for your updates...

Thanks and GOD bless,

Thomas and Pat

 

[RandyBell]

John: You did right by Sandy:thumbsup:
Randy

 

[JESSE1]

I've had to eliminate several coyotes over the years because they have come close to the house and killed several of my geese. Just a few months ago I shot one that killed a pet gander and two ducks. I used to be able to let my geese out to graze around the barn but I've had to start keeping them in their pen for their protection. I realize the coyotes are only doing what comes natural and I try to leave them alone as much as possible. Reading about Sandy has caused me to spare the life of a young coyote that I have seen lately. I recently saw it jumping around chasing field mice in my hay meadow while I was cutting hay. As long as they do that I'll just observe them.

 

[EE_Bota]

All living creatures chose freedom over containment and will risk death to achieve it. There isn't a wild animal alive that would choose living in a cage over running wild as God intended. Go to the zoo and look at all the happy animal faces and they receive the absolute best of care. If you want to kid yourself, more power to you but you should have allowed nature to run its coarse.

An animal can always go sullen and waste. She can show misery if present, and it doesn't seem to be present from the evidence presented so far.

 

[Raspy]

I've had to eliminate several coyotes over the years because they have come close to the house and killed several of my geese. Just a few months ago I shot one that killed a pet gander and two ducks. I used to be able to let my geese out to graze around the barn but I've had to start keeping them in their pen for their protection. I realize the coyotes are only doing what comes natural and I try to leave them alone as much as possible. Reading about Sandy has caused me to spare the life of a young coyote that I have seen lately. I recently saw it jumping around chasing field mice in my hay meadow while I was cutting hay. As long as they do that I'll just observe them.

Jesse,

Thanks for your story and your compassion.

Sandy sure has been an eye opener.

I too would chose my family or my dogs or my other animals over a wild coyote if it came to that. Of course I would, and should. That decision doesn't attempt to take any value away from the wild ones. Sometimes a decision must be made.

You're in a tricky spot with pet geese (which I also find very interesting), and wild coyotes close by.

I wonder if there is a way to encourage them to stay in the meadow and go for the mice?

 

[JESSE1]

I've had some of my geese for about 15 years now. I'm down to six now. Geese make enough noise that any predator could hear them. Years ago I would let them go down to the pond but the coyotes would hide in the grass waiting for them. After that I kept them close to the barn but that hasn't stopped the coyotes from coming close. I also have five donkeys that are supposed to chase coyotes but I saw this particular young coyote walking close to them and the donks just stared at it. So much for predator control.

 

[cqaigy2]

I've had some of my geese for about 15 years now. I'm down to six now. Geese make enough noise that any predator could hear them. Years ago I would let them go down to the pond but the coyotes would hide in the grass waiting for them. After that I kept them close to the barn but that hasn't stopped the coyotes from coming close. I also have five donkeys that are supposed to chase coyotes but I saw this particular young coyote walking close to them and the donks just stared at it. So much for predator control.

I've heard llama's will chase coyotes. Some years ago i had a couple of llamas and i returned home from work one night and only saw one llama in the field. The other one had gotten out, neighbors said they saw a german shepard get into the pen with the goats and one of the llamas jumped the fence into the goat pen and chased the dog out of the pen then out of the pen and down the road. I don't know how far that llama chased the dog, but i found him a couple miles away down the road.

 

[cqaigy2]

I've had some of my geese for about 15 years now. I'm down to six now. Geese make enough noise that any predator could hear them. Years ago I would let them go down to the pond but the coyotes would hide in the grass waiting for them. After that I kept them close to the barn but that hasn't stopped the coyotes from coming close. I also have five donkeys that are supposed to chase coyotes but I saw this particular young coyote walking close to them and the donks just stared at it. So much for predator control.

I've heard llama's will chase coyotes. Some years ago i had a couple of llamas and i returned home from work one night and only saw one llama in the field. The other one had gotten out, neighbors said they saw a german shepard get into the pen with the goats and one of the llamas jumped the fence into the goat pen and chased the dog out of the pen then out of the pen and down the road. I don't know how far that llama chased the dog, but i found him a couple miles away down the road.

 

[PhysAssist]

I've heard llama's will chase coyotes. Some years ago i had a couple of llamas and i returned home from work one night and only saw one llama in the field. The other one had gotten out, neighbors said they saw a german shepard get into the pen with the goats and one of the llamas jumped the fence into the goat pen and chased the dog out of the pen then out of the pen and down the road. I don't know how far that llama chased the dog, but i found him a couple miles away down the road.

I was previously on some newfie and wolfhound mailing lists, and on both, dogs had been hurt by llamas or their close cousins-alpacas.

Apparently it's an inherited response to canids, and very hard to train them out of.