Need Help in finding part at a salvage yard (Power Steering Cyl. for my 4500)

[MMH]

I desperately need to find this part used. Mine broke & the dealer can only sell a new assembly (can't get internal parts to rebuild). Part cost is $951 (plus another $80 for an inner tie rod end).

Anyone know of a used JD parts salvage yard? I called up all the ones I could find on the web & no one has this part.

Please help if you can!

 

[aczlan]

Not sure where you are located, but often a hydraulic shop can cross reference seals or build a new rod as needed. What exactly broke on it?
For parts, I would check with Wengers: Wengers Of Myerstown - Farm Equipment, Agriculture Equipment, Tractor Parts, Construction Equipment, Construction Parts none listed as in stock, but they might know where you can find one.


Aaron Z

 

[MMH]

Not sure where you are located, but often a hydraulic shop can cross reference seals or build a new rod as needed. What exactly broke on it?
For parts, I would check with Wengers: Wengers Of Myerstown - Farm Equipment, Agriculture Equipment, Tractor Parts, Construction Equipment, Construction Parts none listed as in stock, but they might know where you can find one.


Aaron Z

The main rod in the cylinder. This is the rod that connects to the tie rod end & comes out of the cylinder. It's a pretty beefy rod - approx. 1.1" in dia & hard coated (black finish, lloks nitrided). It is my understading that there are some special components to this hydraulic assembly that only JD has.

 

[aczlan]

The main rod in the cylinder. This is the rod that connects to the tie rod end & comes out of the cylinder. It's a pretty beefy rod - approx. 1.1" in dia & hard coated (black finish, lloks nitrided). It is my understading that there are some special components to this hydraulic assembly that only JD has.

Did the tie rod break off? If your tractor is this one: OEM Parts what is the part number on the cylinder? Is it the superseded LVA13561/LVA14158 one, or the current M138035 one?
It looks like it shares the M138035t cylinder with the 3203, 3120, 4210, 4505 and the 4510.

Aaron Z

 

[wthompson]

Do you need part# AM128370? There are i think two or three different steering setups on the 4500, 4600 and 4700 tractors.

 

[Agent Blue]

The main rod in the cylinder. This is the rod that connects to the tie rod end & comes out of the cylinder. It's a pretty beefy rod - approx. 1.1" in dia & hard coated (black finish, lloks nitrided). It is my understading that there are some special components to this hydraulic assembly that only JD has.

That is whats known as a John Deere exclusive. They spec their parts so the average shop will not stock or be able to order certain replacement parts. They like their parts departments to be visited often. Don't look for the sale, even with an ocasional 10% off they do well for themselves.

 

[DT86]

That is whats known as a John Deere exclusive. They spec their parts so the average shop will not stock or be able to order certain replacement parts. They like their parts departments to be visited often. Don't look for the sale, even with an ocasional 10% off they do well for themselves.

Still yet I wonder if he can find a non-JD cylinder much cheaper that will be as good? Paint it green and your good to go.

 

[arlen4720]

Paint it green and your good to go.

The green goes all the way through on OEM parts:laughing:

 

[DT86]

The green goes all the way through on OEM parts:laughing:

Yeah so I've heard. But really when we had a Deere the everyday stuff, filters and such weren't bad.

Are any other brands any different though? I bet if I broke the steering cylinder on my Kubota I'd be in the same boat.

 

[wthompson]

This site: John Deere Cylinder AM128370 - Discount John Deere Parts has it listed a little cheaper.

 

[MMH]

This site: John Deere Cylinder AM128370 - Discount John Deere Parts has it listed a little cheaper.

That is the cheapest source that I found, but $905 for a cylinder???? :hissyfit: And I still need the inner left tie rod end that got trashed

What can you do, I guess I have to suck it up & 'splain to the wife why I have to blow a grand on my tractor...:ashamed:

 

[MMH]

Do you need part# AM128370? There are i think two or three different steering setups on the 4500, 4600 and 4700 tractors.

Yes - that is the part that I need.

 

[Agent Blue]

There is no way I would pay that outrageous price to John Deere. I would spend days in the shop for an alternative.
They wanted $159. plus shipping for a shaft on my project. I got the job done for $31.00, no shipping. I will add the green paint.

 

[wthompson]

A good hydraulic cylinder repair shop and/or machine shop should be able to repair it. What exactly is broken on it? Can you post pics? Maybe someone here could give some suggestions on the repair of it.

 

[Verticaltrx]

If you can't find a used cylinder I'd just go ahead and buy the new one for $950 from Deere. Sure, it's a huge chunk of change, but now you have a $15-20K tractor that is useless without it.

Yeah so I've heard. But really when we had a Deere the everyday stuff, filters and such weren't bad.

Are any other brands any different though? I bet if I broke the steering cylinder on my Kubota I'd be in the same boat.

Sometimes the other brands are worse. The air filter for my little Kubota costs roughly double that of the air filter for our 2550 Deere. I honestly have a much better experience buying parts from Deere than I do Kubota.

 

[wdchyd]

A good hydraulic cylinder repair shop and/or machine shop should be able to repair it. What exactly is broken on it? Can you post pics? Maybe someone here could give some suggestions on the repair of it.

X2.......

 

[mfreund]

Send a message to member wdchyd. I messaged him about repairing a welded hydraulic steering cylinder. He said at the time he could repair my old one for $225. I needed the tractor right then and bought a new one. I have not had mine done because I don't need it right now and don't have an extra $225. He owns a business called Curtis Hydraulics in Hooksett NH. You might be able to google him also to get a phone #.

 

[MMH]

A good hydraulic cylinder repair shop and/or machine shop should be able to repair it. What exactly is broken on it? Can you post pics? Maybe someone here could give some suggestions on the repair of it.

Here is a photo. The broken rod is black & coming out of the cylinder parallel to it. When I cut off the tie rod link, the rod pulled completely out. I checked w/ a couple of shops that do hydraulic repair work (including the JD dealer) they said they could not do it.

The other option is to adapt another cylinder to do what this one does. This cylinder has the rod go thru both ends of the cylinder to push/pull the tie rods on for both wheels. All the double acting tie rod cylinders that I have seen have the rod come out of one end. So to get this to work, you would need to mount up the cylinder (i.e. fab & machine some mounts), get an idler arm & drag link (plus fab/machine the idler arm mount), etc.

Anything can be done w/ enough effort. However, this effort would be significant. Also, there would be allot of miscellaneous parts to scrounge up (drag link, idler, couple of extra ball joints, etc). By the time you were done you spend more than what your cheaper cylinder cost. As much as I hate doing it, I need my tractor so I can be doing some work with it, not be working on it.

 

[aczlan]

Try looking at Surplus Center, ther steering cylinder page is: Surplus Center and they appear to have 7 of theose cylinders for under $220. They also have an eBay store page for those cylinders, it is: 2x8x1.25 DOUBLE ROD STEERING HYDRAULIC CYLINDER 9-6845 items in Surplus Center store on eBay! where they have 5 double rod steering cylinders that are each less than $220.

Aaron Z

 

[MMH]

Try looking at Surplus Center, ther steering cylinder page is: Surplus Center and they appear to have 7 of theose cylinders for under $220. They also have an eBay store page for those cylinders, it is: 2x8x1.25 DOUBLE ROD STEERING HYDRAULIC CYLINDER 9-6845 items in Surplus Center store on eBay! where they have 5 double rod steering cylinders that are each less than $220.

Aaron Z

good suggestion - thanks. How do I know what stroke I need. Also, what about the pressure? I have no idea what the power steeing pump (or hydraulic pump) puts out. I am guessing that it is 2500 or 3000 psi, but that is just a guess.