How self sufficient are you ? Honestly ?

[Grumpy Old Man]

OK, I'll say it again, money isn't power, land is power and the knowledge to function and utilize land is the best security you can have. Sure a storm can overwhelm you but chances are it will pass or it will hit only partially. If you've used the land to grow food that you've stored and have stores of water you have a much better chance of survival. Crowded areas, the suburbs, etc. will have a real challenge trying to survive and probably won't.
Once people stealing TV, RV, etc. realize they have no energy to run them their value will drop and looting will go to human needs.

There was a smart guy named Abe Maslow and he addressed human needs:

"Maslow's hierarchy of needs:

Each of us is motivated by needs. Our most basic needs are inborn, having evolved over tens of thousands of years. Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs helps to explain how these needs motivate us all.

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs states that we must satisfy each need in turn, starting with the first, which deals with the most obvious needs for survival itself.

Only when the lower order needs of physical and emotional well-being are satisfied are we concerned with the higher order needs of influence and personal development.

Conversely, if the things that satisfy our lower order needs are swept away, we are no longer concerned about the maintenance of our higher order needs.

Maslow's original Hierarchy of Needs model was developed between 1943-1954, and first widely published in Motivation and Personality in 1954. At this time the Hierarchy of Needs model comprised five needs. This original version remains for most people the definitive Hierarchy of Needs."


Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and diagrams of Maslow's motivational theory - pyramid diagrams of Maslow's theory

To have an understanding of Maslow's Hierarchy you must of had some type of medical training as many have never heard of it !

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Addiction: " the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma."

Most of us have spent most of our lives living in a society addicted to oil. That one is pretty obvious.

Doing some extended driving lately, I was listening to talk radio - Oxycontin was being debated, as the original patent is expiring, opening up generic sales. Any chance big Pharma didn't know what would happen when this drug was originally developed ? Rhetorical question.

I was at a college open-house recently. Ended up discussing manual sketching with the program coordinator in the Architecture program. Forget sketching, he said most young students literally did not know how to hold a pencil.

Many people (less so, probably, for the typical TBN'er) would go into withdrawal if their cell phone/service was taken away.

As Grumpy has well described, there are corporations doing a very good job of addicting people to all sorts of products and services. Serves the corporations well. Us ? - good question, esp. in the long term. Unfortunately, Long Term thinking is about as common as White Rhinos.

Living in a society (Canada) where many people are too lazy to get out of the car to get a cup of coffee (and no, we don't actually have snow drifts 11 months/year), I'd say the vector we are on (as a society) needs work.

Rgds, D.

How did you know I had a white Rhino ?

 

[Rob-D]

To have an understanding of Maslow's Hierarchy you must of had some type of medical training as many have never heard of it !

Maslow was a psychologist, I had a friend who studied with him.

 

[Rob-D]

Addiction: " the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma."

Most of us have spent most of our lives living in a society addicted to oil. That one is pretty obvious.

Doing some extended driving lately, I was listening to talk radio - Oxycontin was being debated, as the original patent is expiring, opening up generic sales. Any chance big Pharma didn't know what would happen when this drug was originally developed ? Rhetorical question.

I was at a college open-house recently. Ended up discussing manual sketching with the program coordinator in the Architecture program. Forget sketching, he said most young students literally did not know how to hold a pencil.

Many people (less so, probably, for the typical TBN'er) would go into withdrawal if their cell phone/service was taken away.

As Grumpy has well described, there are corporations doing a very good job of addicting people to all sorts of products and services. Serves the corporations well. Us ? - good question, esp. in the long term. Unfortunately, Long Term thinking is about as common as White Rhinos.

Living in a society (Canada) where many people are too lazy to get out of the car to get a cup of coffee (and no, we don't actually have snow drifts 11 months/year), I'd say the vector we are on (as a society) needs work.

Rgds, D.

Read about a guy named Edward Bernays. He was Freud's nephew and corporations paid him to teach them how to manipulate and control mass culture.

Propaganda by Edward Bernays (1928)

 

[Car Doc]

Interesting Rob! It reminds me of L.Ron Hubbard's KRC triangle I learned it in business management school. (yeah thats the guy believe me I dont follow his religious beliefs but he has a way of saying things that make perfect sense :laughing

"Its difficult to be Responsible for something or have Control over something unless you have Knowledge of it" He further goes on with the ARC triangle-

Every point on the Affinity triangle is dependent on the other 2- One cannot raise or lower any point without raising or lowering the other 2. By increasing ones knowledge of something automatically their Responsibility and Control over the subject or activity is increased."

Basic common sense for most of us but some need things pointed out to them in order for them to comprehend what they are seeing and believe they witnessed a revelation.

 

[EE_Bota]

What kind of filter? There's a filter used in developing countries that is quite good, it's called the Berkey. If you get it with the Black filters it's very good but you must get the filters from the UK. The filters made here fail or are defective from the start.

here's a link:
Big Berkey Water Filters & Purifiers - Free Shipping + 50% Off Discounts !

But I don't know where the filters come from. I do have one of these for emergencies but the filters separate at the base so polluted water passes by the filter. I can fix the problem but since I have a double filter system with UV in the house I don't use the Berkey. I do have a small one for our BOB (bug out bag).

Mine is only a hiking filter. It is the MSR mini-works. I assume if things went bad here, I will use my stored water, then try to refill that from the well. But I thought if I had the hit the road, the MSR filter could be handy.

 

[3930dave]

How did you know I had a white Rhino ?View attachment 289791

One of the reasons I hang out on TBN is that there are a disproportionate # of White Rhinos around.

:thumbsup: D.

 

[3930dave]

Read about a guy named Edward Bernays. He was Freud's nephew and corporations paid him to teach them how to manipulate and control mass culture.

Propaganda by Edward Bernays (1928)

Thanks, will add that to my Winter reading list. Point taken, corporations have been refining this game for a long time. Rgds, D.

 

[aczlan]

To have an understanding of Maslow's Hierarchy you must of had some type of medical training as many have never heard of it !

Not necessarily. It was covered in a leadership class and a project management class that I took last year.

Aaron Z

 

[Pharm]

I wouldn't ,I said there would be those who would ! I am totally prepared to survive off the grid and find it humorous that most posted about how they would not be able to survive without it , REALLY ? I kind of remember farmers building barns ,fences , homes ,and out buildings with out nails let alone an air nailer powered by a compressor powered by a generator powered by fuel that was delivered by truck to a gas station that is powered by electricity that is powered by coal . And once you have a source of free power be it a windmill to produce limited power and pump water or a waterwheel again a limited source of power either of these would give you something to barter with and they did 100 years ago !, Would you run to the chicken coop and kill the chicken for that nights dinner or let her lay an egg a day for years ? and when you add solar and batteries to these basic sources of power your golden ! The NEED we have grown accustomed to for instant gratification and the easiest way possible to perform even basic tasks has made the thought of being able to survive without cable and a new truck unthinkable ! And for those taking a hand full of medications a day, well are you sure you really need them ? or are you taking mood elevators and stress relievers and blood pressure pills along with anti anxiety pills along with anti acids and sleeping pills to deal with the stress from trying to figure how to pay for your new truck and 5,000 square foot house you don't need for any reason except to show the neighbors how "RICH" you are ?

I'm with you on a lot of this. Consumerism is definitely short term thinking. We've definitely grown soft with our way of life, but then again people are living on average a lot longer than they use to. Catch a cold in the past and you might die within a week.

Never really know until it happens but I feel like I could survive in the woods a while on my own. I've done survival training. I wouldn't even have to have bullets in that I could always bow hunt. I just think if .... really hit the fan we'd have a lot more to deal with than surviving in the wilderness. Man is a communal beast.