wheel spacing question.

[BlackRaptor]

Sorry if they is a repost I'm sure it is.

If I flip my tires does it really give you a 4" wider footprint? Growing tired of the trippy feeling. Want to flip the tires and add 2" spacers to each side. Wanting a total of 8" of width. So figired I would ask if the tire rim flip is 2" wider per side.

 

[Tx Jim]

Changing wheel tread setting should be outlined in operators manual with dimensions. On most tractors there are several tire spacings avallable depending on which side of the wheel lug the disc is attached. If the rims on your tractor have the dish pointing in then reversing them will make the tread spacing wider

 

[TripleR]

My experience is the same as Tx Jim, we widen the tread as much as possible on all of our tractors as we operate on hills, I have this done by the dealer prior to delivery.

I don't know how long you have had your tractor, but most of the time a new tractor "feels" a lot tippier to me tan it really is even with the tires widened and the feeing seemes to be made worse with a cab. I have to put quite a few hours on to get to feeling relatively comfortable.

 

[Zebrafive]

Do you have the wheels with bolt in centers? If so they are 8 position wheels. For R4 tires position 1 is not available. Depending on what position your wheels are currently at, swapping (flipping) side to side will give different results.
Position 2 swaps to position 7. 51" to 71"
Position 3 swaps to position 6. 55" to 67"
Position 4 swaps to position 5. 59" to 63"
Or you could take them apart and reassemble to position 8. 75"
All are center to center measurements.

 

[greg_g]

Plenty of options to widen rear track if you've got R1 tires/rims, but not so if you're on R4s. In addition to reversing rear rims (tire valve inside), I had to add a pair of 4" spacers to get as wide as you can get the R1s.

//greg//

 

[BlackRaptor]

Sorry I left that part out I have the larger r4 tires.
Anyone have spacers they recomend? I've found a few on ebay.

I've had the tractor about 9 months.
It will always feel a little tippy I figure compared to like my 70 or even my old 2520 but I figured widening the rear a total of 8 inches would make a huge differance than just flip the front rins valve stems in.

 

[Deere Dude]

I have a 2010 3720 and found when I flipped my larger R-4s it was a big waste of time. The center of the wheel had some dimples or high spots that rode against the hub and it didn't seem like it had a nice flat seat and left some wear marks on the wheel. On top of that it only gained and inch on both sides.

I left it that way for awhile while grubbing around in brush and stumps and general land clearing. While pulling a 6' Box blade full of dirt and branches, some little branches ran up against the wheel and lodged between the wheel and the trans-axle. Normally that would not be a problem, but with the wheels in that position and with the valve stem on the inside it just knocked the valve stem off. With tires filled with Rim-guard you can imagine the mess.

Finally I got Skid Steer red spacers to widen the wheels. I got 2- 2" spacers for each side. That gave a total of 8" wider overall. Then I put the wheels back into to original position because I had plenty of room. Now if branches get between the wheel and the trans-axle it will not damage anything. Of course you still have to be careful from stuff on the outside.

Conclusion; 4" spacers for each side and wheels in the original position works great. Plus Rim-guard or something heavy for fluid.

 

[rbtjr]

We have a new L3800 with R4 tires, which felt very tippy after our M5400 with Ag tires, on which we set the wheels out to the widest possible tread. We put a 4" spacer on each rear wheell, so we widened the stance 8". It is a definite improvement. Our Kubota dealer told us that we should have no problems due to widening the stance with spacers. We bought the spacers from a vendor who advertises on TSN: Christian S. Hansen, 510-601-7550, 7135 Pinehaven Rd. Oakland, CA. 94611
Kubota John Deere Compact Tractor Utility Vehicle Wheel Spacers
(510) 601-7550
(406) 723-0048 cell

 

[RoyJackson]

Before reversing or swapping side to side, one must measure the rim flange to hub offset. Use a tape measure and straight edge of some sort.
For me, reversing the wheels (which can be done with turf tires since they are bidirectional) added a good 2½" per side.

My opinion is reversing or swapping isn't worth it if you get less then 1½" per side...

 

[vtsnowedin]

It depends on the rims you have. Two position rims can give you an eight inch difference in total tread and you can add spacers to that up to another eight inches. If you have R1 rims with eight position you can get fifteen inches difference from the useable settings plus up to eight inches from spacers. I have mine set at position eight and have the 4.1 inch factory spacers. It is very stable with loaded tires but is perhaps too much of a good thing and I may have to change it if I want to do row crop work easily. And yes this is a repost so I don't mind reposting the same picture.

 

[AKfish]

It depends on the rims you have. Two position rims can give you an eight inch difference in total tread and you can add spacers to that up to another eight inches. If you have R1 rims with eight position you can get fifteen inches difference from the useable settings plus up to eight inches from spacers. I have mine set at position eight and have the 4.1 inch factory spacers. It is very stable with loaded tires but is perhaps too much of a good thing and I may have to change it if I want to do row crop work easily. And yes this is a repost so I don't mind reposting the same picture.

Very nice! Do you remember the price for the OEM spacers? I noticed that your front tires are spaced out to be about centered on the rear tire track. About right?

Thanks.

AKfish

 

[BlackRaptor]

Good Info guys thanks.
I'll just get some 4inch spacers for each side give it the 8" total i'm looking for.
Deere Dude thats a really good point i never thought of with the valve stem getting hit by branches on the inside. I am working around tree branches and stick piles a lot. So i think i'll leave the rims stem out and space them 4".
Are these the red spacers people where talking about?
Skid Steer Wheel Spacers 8 Lug Red 9 16" Skidsteer | eBay

 

[Dan Hunter]

Wheel Adapters, Wheel Spacers, Hub Rings, and much more! | Motorsport Tech

These folks manufacture a great product and accommodated me on some bizarre service issues.

 

[Deere Dude]

Good Info guys thanks.
I'll just get some 4inch spacers for each side give it the 8" total i'm looking for.
Deere Dude thats a really good point i never thought of with the valve stem getting hit by branches on the inside. I am working around tree branches and stick piles a lot. So i think i'll leave the rims stem out and space them 4".
Are these the red spacers people where talking about?
Skid Steer Wheel Spacers 8 Lug Red 9 16" Skidsteer | eBay

I would be certain that be the ones. But you have to verify this. Here are the numbers from my invoice I just dug out.

WHS8-2-9-16 Wheel spacers A-10" in Diameter (Wide)-8 bolts-9/16" Lug Diameter. 2 Inches Thickwide-Red-Set of 4. Then shipping.
From Skid Steer Solutions

I e-mailed them originally and they told me these were the ones for my 3720 before I ordered them and he assured me they were.
sales@skidsteersolutions.com

One thing I did that I understand other folks here don't do, I got longer lug bolts for attaching the first spacer to the hub. I got them at Napa. The original bolts didn't go all the way through the hub but ended up about a 1/4" short. This is because the spacers are pretty thick. Some people leave just reuse the originals but I didn't feel comfortable with that. They are metric and I don't know the size off hand but now my bolts stick through the hub about a 1/4". :thumbsup:

One other thing I would definitely suggest. Use blue Lock-tite on all the treads. Once you put two sets of spacers on you don't want the inside bolts or nuts to loosen up.

 

[vtsnowedin]

Very nice! Do you remember the price for the OEM spacers? I noticed that your front tires are spaced out to be about centered on the rear tire track. About right?

Thanks.

AKfish

Build your own has them at $266 each with the bolts extra and you need sixteen bolts per hub not eight as the build site indicates. That added a week of waiting on my delivery time.
My front tires are set at position seven 71 inches c to c as recomended for loader work. Not quite in line with the rears but the rear foot print covers the front tracks.

 

[greg_g]

I figured widening the rear a total of 8 inches would make a huge differance than just flip the front rins valve stems in.

You can flip the rears too (valve stem inside). Jack up the rear end, remove both wheels. Move the left wheel to the right and the right to the left, keeping the tire lugs pointing forward. This method adds a few inches without having to take the tires off the rims. In the process, you can also install spacers. Check out this thread regarding the spacers I purchased.

//greg//

 

[lost in wisconsin]

It will always feel a little tippy I figure compared to like my 70 or even my old 2520 but I figured widening the rear a total of 8 inches would make a huge differance than just flip the front rins valve stems in.

Chad...
If you like, I will trade you straight up that new 3320 w/ cab for our 2520. I will even let you throw in all those attachments you have. I know, but it is just the kind of guy I am to ensure you feel less tippy. :drink:

 

[BlackRaptor]

I dunno. Next you'll be trying to sell me ocean front property in Wisconsin.
Haha.
2520 was awesome but the 3320 is amazing and not nearly as underpowered as people say. I was pushing walls of wet heavy snow dif locked on b range with good gravel traction below the 8 inches of heavy wet snow pushed like a tank at 5mph.


In a perfect world I wish I cold of kept the 2520 it could get into tight spots and it was an amazing little work horse.

Thanks again everyone for the wheel spacer questions soon as uncle sam gives me my tax money ill be ordering some.

 

[arlen4720]

I dunno. Next you'll be trying to sell me ocean front property in Wisconsin.
Haha.
2520 was awesome but the 3320 is amazing and not nearly as underpowered as people say. I was pushing walls of wet heavy snow dif locked on b range with good gravel traction below the 8 inches of heavy wet snow pushed like a tank at 5mph.


In a perfect world I wish I cold of kept the 2520 it could get into tight spots and it was an amazing little work horse.

Thanks again everyone for the wheel spacer questions soon as uncle sam gives me my tax money ill be ordering some.

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Chad, that was some mess of snow we just had huh? I just drove to Owatonna today... Last time we talked you had concerns about wheel clearance with your deck if you spaced them out. Are you going to remove the spacers for the mowing season?

 

[dkhntr04]

Get the Motorsport Tech spacers if you go that route. I have them and they are great. Good workmanship and fit perfectly. They totally transformed the stability of my machine. I can drive comfortably in areas that I wouldn't even consider going before. They make the tractor feel like a totally different machine and I would not want to be without them. The tractor also rides smoother now with the wider track.

I would seriously look into if you are going to have clearance problems with your MMM though.