Never saddle a dead horse

[escavader]

I never heard of it until this week lets see how many others have clue I was hanging 50 ft of 16 in blower pipe from rafters 20 ft up in our shavings building at work

 

[Clint S]

Dad was a lineman for 40 years and taught me many years ago which way it went.

 

[k0ua]

never saddle a dead horse, refers to the way to put on the cable clamps onto to wire braid cable. Yes there is a proper way and an improper way to put the clamp on. Do NOT put the saddle portion of the clamp up against "dead" end.. the saddle goes on the "live" end of the cable ( the portion holding the load) and the u bolt portion goes up against the " dead" end of the cable.

James K0UA ( I have built a radio tower or two)

 

[escavader]

Ah couldn't fool anyone I never worked cable so never heard it before had to look it up on net to see what it was referred to

 

[bcp]

And for those who can't tell if the horse is dead:



5/16" Cable Size HDG Double Saddle Wire Rope Clip | Fastenal

 

[pmhowe]

Hi James,

"never saddle a dead horse, refers to the way to put on the cable clamps onto to wire braid cable. Yes there is a proper way and an improper way to put the clamp on. Do NOT put the saddle portion of the clamp up against "dead" end.. the saddle goes on the "live" end of the cable ( the portion holding the load) and the u bolt portion goes up against the " dead" end of the cable."

What is the reasoning? Best guess I could come up with is that doing the wrong way might possibly cut/fray/weaken the live part of the cable.

Thanks,

PMH

 

[Shield Arc]

There is more to installing cable clamps, than the proper rotation, a lot more. Proper spacing, and torque.
Personally I try to avoid making eyes where you have to depend on the cable clamps. I'd much rather roll a Molly Hogan, and leave a long tail and wrap with electrical tape. Or if I'm really going to max out the wire rope I'll make a logger's splice.
There is a reason OSHA out lawed attaching a cable clamp to the main line after a wedge socket on a crane. The cable clamps break the small wires in the strands of the wire rope.

 

[Danno1]

What is the reasoning? Best guess I could come up with is that doing the wrong way might possibly cut/fray/weaken the live part of the cable.

Thanks,

PMH

PMH,

That is true. The u-bolt part of the clamp crushes the strands of the load bearing side thereby weakening the rope.


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[Lou66]

I always thought that ,, never saddle a dead horse,, was a metaphor for whatever it was to do,, it has given all it going to give.. same as never beat a dead horse,, give up and move on.. but I did learn something new today. thanks. Lou

 

[Case485Guy]

The one thing to watch out for on the Molly Hogan/ hand splice/flemish eye splice is if when lifting the load starts to spin, its possible for it spin enough to cause the splice let loose/come apart. We use the Flemish splice with a swaged sleeve pressed in a shop setting. Not practical to install in the field I know, just giving those a heads up if they try the molly hogan/hand splice/ Flemish eye splice and lift with it.
The one thing I have ran across is that the hand splice is a lot more popular up north/Canada than here in the south

 

[Shield Arc]

Actually the Molly Hogan, and eyes made with cable clamps are illegal for over head lifting. I'm sure by now the logger's splice is too. For years we all carried Marlin spikes in our tool boxes, and made all our rigging right on site. Sometime in the 1990's our safety department / insurance company put a stop to it. They wanted a third party to sue if anything happened to us.
I've never seen a Molly Hogan or logger's splice spin out, a Marine splice yes!

 

[Leo Rabon]

I always thought that ,, never saddle a dead horse,, was a metaphor for whatever it was to do,, it has given all it going to give.. same as never beat a dead horse,, give up and move on.. but I did learn something new today. thanks. Lou

"Ditto what Lou66 says", so now I know the cable guys have stolen the "real meaning".

Leo

 

[Case485Guy]

Sometime in the 1990's our safety department / insurance company put a stop to it. They wanted a third party to sue if anything happened to us.
I've never seen a Molly Hogan or logger's splice spin out, a Marine splice yes!

I've never actually seen one spin out either. Alot of the old timers talked about it when I was learning to splice. In sales, one of the mgrs. was just talking about this last week, telling stories etc. I am selling alot of 1-1/8" x 26' with 3' handspliced eyes, but they are being used as bridles for winch trucks to use to skid load. thats why it even came up in the office about spin out possibility. He said back in the day it happened more than most thought.
The handsplice is slowly becoming a lost art, we have a few guys and myself that knew how when I started getting these orders. Getting some more trained though

 

[Reyer Farms]

I have also heard " u dead". There were a lot of other important things I learned and forgot about rigging. One company had a course from slings to cable id, how to flip loads with one or two cranes. It was some real neat stuff, but like most of the things they did it was rushed. They made a big deal about safety and then forgot about it out of the meeting room.

 

[Shield Arc]

I've never actually seen one spin out either. Alot of the old timers talked about it when I was learning to splice. In sales, one of the mgrs. was just talking about this last week, telling stories etc. I am selling alot of 1-1/8" x 26' with 3' handspliced eyes, but they are being used as bridles for winch trucks to use to skid load. thats why it even came up in the office about spin out possibility. He said back in the day it happened more than most thought.
The handsplice is slowly becoming a lost art, we have a few guys and myself that knew how when I started getting these orders. Getting some more trained though

I'd like to meet the guys who spliced this eye! I sure wouldn't make them mad! :laughing:

 

[Reyer Farms]

I'd like to meet the guys who spliced this eye! I sure wouldn't make them mad! :laughing:

Yep, probably hands like a vise!

 

[Case485Guy]

No doubt! The biggest cable we splice and press is 3-1/2", usually atleast 4 guys on an eye to splice it.. Check these braids out, 2" wire rope, braided

 

[Shield Arc]

Here is some 4-inch, we used for 300-ton picks.

 

[Case485Guy]

Here is some 4-inch, we used for 300-ton picks.

Whats the biggest you have used? The big cable is just amazing to me, biggest I have seen is 6" with 15' eyes( I think 15')

 

[2458n]

Now those are shackles.Nice to see a big pick rigged. What were they lifting? As Paul said,'the rest of the story".