John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices

   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #91  
Harrison,

The dealership should play a part in the decision as well. Check them all out, and rate them as part of your buying decision.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #92  
The price is closer to 1/3 less than the Green.

That's the same as the 50% more than LS I mentioned earlier....still around $10k roughly. Just one of those funny percentages things....50% more, 33% less...same/same.

Glad to hear the dealer was helpful....regardless of brand, some make you work to give them money!
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #93  
Unfortunately some read into specifications too much. They must not yet have learned that, like life, parenting or even your job, the best tractor cannot be chosen simply by what's written on paper. There's a reason for the price of everything and Kubota and Deere simply don't sell million of "over priced" tractors based on reputation alone whether you'd like to believe it or not. Deere or Kubota have a better engineered end product, and although I might not be able to nit pick every detail (or spend my time researching and formulating it into words), I rest assured that I have spent my money wisely and I'd appreciate someone not condescendingly try to degrade some of the most popular tractor brands in the world because theirs is cheaper. It's like saying Chevy's power train suck because I like the looks of Ford's.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #94  
Unfortunately some read into specifications too much.

And folks who want to defend a product with lesser specifications always seem to want to ignore them. Funny.

Deere or Kubota have a better engineered end product

You know this having been an engineer at Deere, Kubota, and some of their competitors? If not, you're guessing, because there's no way anybody knows how much engineering goes into products you aren't part of producing.

I'd appreciate someone not condescendingly try to degrade some of the most popular tractor brands in the world because theirs is cheaper.

Who said anything degrading about the quality of Deere or Kubota? The simple fact is that you spend more money, to get a similar level or performance if you buy those two brands. Period, end of story, no argument possible. Certainly, the offer some cool options that many other brands don't, but the concept that they're 40-50% higher quality, to match the price increase, is absolutely ridiculous.

While this thread isn't about you, or your choice, I'm sure everybody is happy that you're pleased with how you've spent your money....no need to take it so personally. :thumbsup:

For the average small/recreational farm use, or homeowner, any of the popular brands is engineered well enough, and built well enough to offer dependable, reliable service for many years. Some folks just want a few extra accessories to go with their new tractors. Here's a pic of what I got to go along with my LS....for a touch less than I would have spent for a Deere, or Kubota that was capable of doing the same amount of work as my LS. Here's $31K worth of LS and accessories (note, I didn't pick the Ford color scheme):


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   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #95  
John Deere must be doing something that people like...they have kinda dominated a few markets for quite a few years.
I think what you are saying is...an LS is a good (not great), tractor for the money...for non comercial, non farm use. But if you want the best, and can afford it, then JD or Kubota is what you want. I agree completely with you there, and I would add... I think the LS would be a good choice if it had more hydraulic flow, more loader lift height, a little stronger of a 3 point, and maybe a self leveling loader, and a better transmission, and better fuel economy. That 8gpm hydraulic flow (slow cycle time), and low lift height has got to hurt using the loader.
I would also like to see a better dealer-parts-service network with the LS.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #96  
GManBart,
You are always promoting LS tractors as most of us who frequent the forum have noticed. Not saying there is anything wrong with that necessarily but you have to admit your experience with LS has to be limited to a short ownership time. Granted my experience with LS is non existent but I am familiar with some of the other brands and some such as Case, Deere and IH I have quite a bit of time in the seats. Is there something wrong with sticking with a brand that has worked well over the last 40 plus years?

I am not here to defend Deere because I have them, I have them because they have worked out well for me over most of my life.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #97  
GManBart,
You are always promoting LS tractors as most of us who frequent the forum have noticed. Not saying there is anything wrong with that necessarily but you have to admit your experience with LS has to be limited to a short ownership time. Granted my experience with LS is non existent but I am familiar with some of the other brands and some such as Case, Deere and IH I have quite a bit of time in the seats. Is there something wrong with sticking with a brand that has worked well over the last 40 plus years?

I am not here to defend Deere because I have them, I have them because they have worked out well for me over most of my life.

Very good, relevant points.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #98  
Plus loader specs are wrong half the time also. The marketing departments love their numbers and love making things look better than there are. The pivot pins measurements are the dumbest numbers to go by, but marketing likes that number because it is "bigger." Most people on the forum know that when you are using your loader's bucket, it is 500mm (19.7") out from the pivot pins, just like the 3PH true lift capacity number is 24" out. Going by the pivot pin loader capacity is a mistake many newbies make. If the literature only states loader pivot pin capacity, then take approximately 23% off that number and you should be around the correct loader capacity for your loader when using a bucket. Also this estimate is only for standard loaders and not self-leveling loaders. So the LS can lift ~2600lbs at the pivot pins, that would mean it could potentially lift ~2000lbs at 500mm (19.7") out with the bucket attached. That is still not a bad lift capacity for the LS loader.

As for the warranty, you should have two warranties for the tractor: the general warranty (like a bumper-to-bumper warranty) and the extended power train warranty (engine and transmission warranty). LS, Kubota and John Deere all have the same "2 year general warranty," but the hours are not the same on those warranties. LS's warranty is 2 years or 750 hours, Kubota's is 2 years or 1500 hours and John Deere's is 2 years or 2000 hours. As the for the extended power train warranty, LS's is 5 years or 1500 hours, Kubota's is 3 years or 2000 hours and John Deere's is 3 years or 2000 hours. While LS gives you a nice long 5 year warranty, if you use your tractor a lot, the warranty might only be good for two or three years if you go above the "hours" mark. The devil is always in the details with the warranty stuff.

Lastly, I am impressed with the new LS XR series compact tractors especially with LS now using the Shibuara engines. However, when you pay more for the Kubota and John Deere, you will be paying for name and reputation, but also for the components and engineering they put into the tractors. On the surface, the LS, Kubota and John Deere might look the same and have some similar specs, but it is when you dive deeper into what components are used to make the engine, transmission, hydraulics and etc, that is what makes the difference. I would imagine LS uses some good components in their tractors, but Kubota and John Deere are known to use higher grade components in their L Grand and 4000 Series tractors which does drive costs up, but will also hopefully provide more durability and longevity for the tractors. The key is that you do not pay for something that is over-engineered for your uses. The LS tractor might not use the highest grade components like Kubota and John Deere, but that LS tractor might meet most people's needs at a good solid price point.
Still looking for the proof you have stated in your last paragraph about the HIGHER GRADE components in the John deere and Kubota tractors verses other brand tractors?Just curious?This is NOT a slam as I own both JD and Kubota products.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #99  
You can not make a blanket statement that Kubota has better engineering, it is NOT a fact. Some of their models have engineering flaws, just like other brands. Just like all brands have made mistakes on some models and some aspects of their engineering. IF you want proof of that I will just say 4 words.. JERKY THREE POINT HITCH. As much as I love most of the Kubota models and think they make an excellent product, I am not blinded by brand loyalty to think that they have never made mistakes. I owned one of their mistakes, and they did NOT stand behind it. There are dozens of long time contributors on this forum with a bad taste in their mouth about this engineering mistake and Kubota's lack of action to correct this. I believe there will be engineering flaws in all brands of tractors, but in general terms all of the major brands are good machines.

James K0UA
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #100  
You can not make a blanket statement that Kubota has better engineering, it is NOT a fact. Some of their models have engineering flaws, just like other brands. Just like all brands have made mistakes on some models and some aspects of their engineering. IF you want proof of that I will just say 4 words.. JERKY THREE POINT HITCH. As much as I love most of the Kubota models and think they make an excellent product, I am not blinded by brand loyalty to think that they have never made mistakes. I owned one of their mistakes, and they did NOT stand behind it. There are dozens of long time contributors on this forum with a bad taste in their mouth about this engineering mistake and Kubota's lack of action to correct this. I believe there will be engineering flaws in all brands of tractors, but in general terms all of the major brands are good machines.

James K0UA
That is my point also.Had to work out quite a few bugs in my 2006 Kubota RTV 900(hard shifting,rattle in drive shaft,slipped shifting in the fork)I guess these were not some of the higher grade components used by Kubota.My JD X740 has only been back to the dealership once for warrenty work with 56 hours on the clock.
 

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