John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices

   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #51  
Does that include the reduction for the SSQA? Most companies don't but Kubota does now.

It's not perfectly clear...unfortunately. My LS loader manual lists 2,638lbs as max lift to full height at the pins, and a few lines below that says: "Attachment used for specifications: 72". That certainly looks like a 72" bucket to me, but they don't spell it out. They list the standard bucket at 72", but they don't list the weight....d'oh.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #52  
Personally I take all the numbers with a grain of salt. Even numbers like MPG for vehicles, something that should be pretty much tested the same aren't all that accurate. Find what you like, put price down a little ways on the list unless you are really pushing the limits because most people are going to keep a tractor for a lot longer than a car. Why be cheap if it means that over the next 20 or 30 years you missed out on an option that you really would have liked.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #53  
Personally I take all the numbers with a grain of salt. Even numbers like MPG for vehicles, something that should be pretty much tested the same aren't all that accurate. Find what you like, put price down a little ways on the list unless you are really pushing the limits because most people are going to keep a tractor for a lot longer than a car. Why be cheap if it means that over the next 20 or 30 years you missed out on an option that you really would have liked.


Definately agree with you on this, when I need something I shop around and do some research but I make sure that whatever I buy is what I want. I try to buy what I think is the best for my uses and tend to keep my stuff for a long time.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #54  
Personally I take all the numbers with a grain of salt. Even numbers like MPG for vehicles, something that should be pretty much tested the same aren't all that accurate. Find what you like, put price down a little ways on the list unless you are really pushing the limits because most people are going to keep a tractor for a lot longer than a car. Why be cheap if it means that over the next 20 or 30 years you missed out on an option that you really would have liked.

I take all the numbers with a grain of salt as well, but figure they're at least in the right ballpark in most cases. For an extra 40-50% more in price, it shouldn't be remotely close between what two models are capable of doing.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #55  
Plus loader specs are wrong half the time also. The marketing departments love their numbers and love making things look better than there are. The pivot pins measurements are the dumbest numbers to go by, but marketing likes that number because it is "bigger." Most people on the forum know that when you are using your loader's bucket, it is 500mm (19.7") out from the pivot pins, just like the 3PH true lift capacity number is 24" out. Going by the pivot pin loader capacity is a mistake many newbies make. If the literature only states loader pivot pin capacity, then take approximately 23% off that number and you should be around the correct loader capacity for your loader when using a bucket. Also this estimate is only for standard loaders and not self-leveling loaders. So the LS can lift ~2600lbs at the pivot pins, that would mean it could potentially lift ~2000lbs at 500mm (19.7") out with the bucket attached. That is still not a bad lift capacity for the LS loader.

As for the warranty, you should have two warranties for the tractor: the general warranty (like a bumper-to-bumper warranty) and the extended power train warranty (engine and transmission warranty). LS, Kubota and John Deere all have the same "2 year general warranty," but the hours are not the same on those warranties. LS's warranty is 2 years or 750 hours, Kubota's is 2 years or 1500 hours and John Deere's is 2 years or 2000 hours. As the for the extended power train warranty, LS's is 5 years or 1500 hours, Kubota's is 3 years or 2000 hours and John Deere's is 3 years or 2000 hours. While LS gives you a nice long 5 year warranty, if you use your tractor a lot, the warranty might only be good for two or three years if you go above the "hours" mark. The devil is always in the details with the warranty stuff.

Lastly, I am impressed with the new LS XR series compact tractors especially with LS now using the Shibuara engines. However, when you pay more for the Kubota and John Deere, you will be paying for name and reputation, but also for the components and engineering they put into the tractors. On the surface, the LS, Kubota and John Deere might look the same and have some similar specs, but it is when you dive deeper into what components are used to make the engine, transmission, hydraulics and etc, that is what makes the difference. I would imagine LS uses some good components in their tractors, but Kubota and John Deere are known to use higher grade components in their L Grand and 4000 Series tractors which does drive costs up, but will also hopefully provide more durability and longevity for the tractors. The key is that you do not pay for something that is over-engineered for your uses. The LS tractor might not use the highest grade components like Kubota and John Deere, but that LS tractor might meet most people's needs at a good solid price point.
 
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   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #56  
Plus loader specs are wrong half the time also. The marketing departments love their numbers and love making things look better than there are. The pivot pins measurement are the dumbest numbers to go by, but marketing likes that number because it is "bigger." Most people on the forum know that when you are using your loader's bucket, it is 500mm (19.7") out from the pivot pins, just like the 3PH true lift capacity number is 24" out. Going by the pivot pin loader capacity is a mistake many newbies make. If the literature only states loader pivot pin capacity, then take approximately 23% off that number and you should be around the correct loader capacity for your loader when using a bucket. Also this estimate is only for standard loaders and not self-leveling loaders. So the LS can lift ~2600lbs at the pivot pins, that would mean it could potentially lift ~2000lbs 500mm (19.7") out with the bucket. That is still not a bad lift capacity for the LS loader.

As for the warranty, you should have two warranties for the tractor: the general warranty (like a bumper-to-bumper warranty) and the extended power train warranty (engine and transmission warranty). LS, Kubota and John Deere all have the same "2 year general warranty," but the hours are not the same on that warranties. LS's warranty is 2 years or 750 hours, Kubota's is 2 years or 1500 hours and John Deere's is 2 years or 2000 hours. As the for the extended power train warranty, LS's is 5 years or 1500 hours, Kubota's is 3 years or 2000 hours and John Deere's is 3 years or 2000 hours. While LS gives you a nice long 5 year warranty, if you use your tractor a lot, the warranty might only be good for two or three years if you go above the hours mark. The devil is always in the details with the warranty stuff.

Lastly, I am impress with the new LS XR series compact tractors especially with LS now using the Shibuara engines. However, when you pay more for the Kubota and John Deere, you will be paying for name and reputation, but also for the components and engineering they put into the tractors. On the surface, the LS, Kubota and John Deere might look the same and have some similar specs, but it is when you dive deeper into what components are used to make the engine, transmission, hydraulics and etc as what make the difference. I would imagine LS uses some good components in their tractors, but Kubota and John Deere are known to use higher grade components in their L Grand and 4000 Series tractors which does drive costs up, but will also hopefully provide more durability and longevity for the tractors. The key is that you do not pay for something that is over-engineered for you uses. The LS might not use as highest grade components like Kubota and John Deere, but that LS tractor will meet most people's need at a good solid price point.

Good post.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #57  
Good post Eagle. That's what I was getting at when I said comparisons begin to separate under scrutiny. Well stated, easily understood.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #58  
I wonder how the fuel consumption is on the LS vs the JD vs the Kubota. I know a Branson that is 47hp is right at 3 gallons a hour. That adds up over 1000 hours.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #59  
I might send eagle107 a dozen roses.
 
   / John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices #60  
I wonder how the fuel consumption is on the LS vs the JD vs the Kubota. I know a Branson that is 47hp is right at 3 gallons a hour. That adds up over 1000 hours.

I wonder also, the LS is indirect injected as opposed to the direct injected Deere. I wonder also if the LS has planetary final drives.
 

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