Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!!

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   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #71  
Technically, they did pay back most, if not all of the "loan." Now they just need to double their stock price to make things even, and boycotting them sure won't help them do that. That is the reason ford may seem to be in better shape, because they escaped the negative publicity to buyers who don't understand or care to really understand the situation. I don't truly understand it either, but know enough to understand that I don't know.

I am not in a situation to buy a new truck, but if I were and I were considering gm, I would do a h*** of a lot more research to understand everything about this before letting it persuade me one way or another... and before advertising half-truths and other misinformation to the world.

By the way fordmantpw, this is not directed at you, this just goes with the comment about being tired of hearing about this.

All other things aside, why hold it against gm anyway? They asked for money and the government gave it to them. If anything be pissed at the government if you feel it was an unwise decision. People keep saying how poorly gm managed their money before the bailout, but it is not something that happened overnight and a lot of these same people that were buying gm up until the bailout. It was such a poorly managed company, but yet they were buying their vehicles right up to the terrible "bailout." Now they want to play internet economist, and say how terrible they were to get into that position.

I hold it against both. GM should have managed the product line better and seen it coming as Ford did. Ford dropped lines like Mercury, vehicles such as Mini Vans, and trimmed the fat. This is why the banks were willing to work with them.

GM on the other hand keep doing the same old thing till it was too late.

The Government should have never stepped in. The media had a agenda as did the unions and now WE are stuck with ownership of a company that is destined to fail again. Total BS.

Chris
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #72  
Mercury was killed well after the bailout.

By all accounts GM was in better shape financially than Ford at the time Ford asked for the loans.

Allan Mullaly is a **** of a CEO. Bill Ford did the right thing to appoint him.
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #73  
I guess we will have to wait and see.....but GM states that profits will be up big time once they get the rest of the new product out.[/QUOTE]

Good. Maybe they can pay us all back. I'll hold my breath!

Chris
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #74  
...stuck with ownership of a company that is destined to fail again. Total BS. Chris

Do you have ANY facts to back this up?????

Or is it just heresy, or from some mystery exec you fly around. Or did you hear it from a neighbor?
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #76  
What jobs did bailing out GM really save? The suppliers in China where they got their cheap Chinese parts from? The union workers that got paid huge inflated salaries? The gooberment put the unions back in control of GM after it was all said and done and that told me they weren't serious about fixing their problems, just continue on with business as usual. I know some want people to forgive GM and kiss and makeup and go buy a GM vehicle. Sorry, but that ain't never gonna happen with me. I won't own any GM vehicle made after 2008 anyways. Think of it this way, your girlfriend or wife cheats on you with your best friend. Are you gonna take her back and "forget it ever happened and move on, let it go!" like some people want you to do with GM, or are you going to dump her so fast her head will spin and never bother with her again?

My future vehicle buying will look like this: If I need a car I'll go with the Japs or Germans. If I need a full-size truck I'll go with a Ford, Toyota or maybe a Nissan with a Cummins if it ends up being what I think it will. If I need a mid-size truck it'll be Toyota all the way. Need an HD truck? Give me an F-250 or F-350.
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #77  
Do you have ANY facts to back this up?????

Or is it just heresy, or from some mystery exec you fly around. Or did you hear it from a neighbor?

Look at what they are doing. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see its not going to work. Like was mentioned before the New 2014 Silverado has finally got on par "almost" with 2011 F150. They did nothing exciting to win over customers like Ford did with the Eco Boost and Dodge did with Coil Springs and 8 speed tranny.

GM had a chance to burry the competition but chose the safe route once again. Try something innovative like a 2 speed rear end, air bag suspension, ect. Always 5 years behind.

The flock will drink the Kool Aid and settle for the 4th best 1/2 ton currently on the market but they wont win over new customers with that truck if its the best they can do.

Chris
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #78  
Your response doesn't surprise me in the least.
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #79  
Look at what they are doing. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see its not going to work. Like was mentioned before the New 2014 Silverado has finally got on par "almost" with 2011 F150. They did nothing exciting to win over customers like Ford did with the Eco Boost and Dodge did with Coil Springs and 8 speed tranny.

GM had a chance to burry the competition but chose the safe route once again. Try something innovative like a 2 speed rear end, air bag suspension, ect. Always 5 years behind.

The flock will drink the Kool Aid and settle for the 4th best 1/2 ton currently on the market but they wont win over new customers with that truck if its the best they can do.

Chris

The one thing that REALLY turned me off with the new GM trucks was the price. Holy Smokes! I couldn't believe my eyes. I went to my local GMC dealership to see them up close and in person one night so I could judge fairly, rather then just going by what I read or heard. They had a 2013 GMC Z71 4x4 SLT that was pretty well loaded up (didn't see a sun roof, dvd player, or navigation) and it stickered for $46,xxx. I walked two steps to a 2014 GMC SLT 2wd and I thought my eyes were deceiving me....$46,000!! No way hoss. I can buy a regular cab 2013 4x4 base 2500 HD with power windows and locks AND a Duramax for $44,000(sticker). I know there have been some who have tried to explain the prices and claim they are on par with the competition but I swear I don't see it when I look. I can get a crew cab FX4 WITH a sunroof for a couple thousand LESS then a 2014 SLT 2wd. I saw it with my own eyes.
 
   / Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!! #80  
I drive a '96 ram that is all but rusted out. It may not be the most powerful in the world, but starts when I need it to and gets the job done. It is also easy to fix. I don't need a lot of "innovation." Aside from some more power and better fuel economy (which would both be nice) what do these new trucks do that any older truck can't? And how much difference is there really between the top 3 (or 5) in these areas? A couple hundred pounds of payload, a few horsepower? You gotta remember these are just ratings anyway. Being rated 400 lbs heavier on payload means nothing in the real world... how well can it actually do it?

A good example is ram's new 30,000 lb towing capacity... how many people say that they trust that?
 
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