Wallenstein winch operation

[CobyRupert]

I was quoting the manual (i think). I hear what you're saying, but as long as the 3 pth arms attach below the lower pulley there's a downward force. I know that when it's running off the top pulley I can watch the draft control sensor on the top link flex, but I don't worry about it stressing the top link, then again I don't worry the blade not digging in when it's on the bottom pulley. It's all good.

 

[dbaer78]

Yeah I've never had an issue with my fx90 not digging in when using the low pulley. I've buried it way down on many occasion. I use the low pulley almost exclusively because I winch in then lock the drum and skid all in one effort without leaving the seat.

 

[Gordon Gould]

I agree with you guys. You can use your winch many different ways and it will work fine. They are robust versatile impliments. The weight of the winch provides some down force but a lot more is added by winching from the top. If you are on frozen or hard ground winching from the top really helps to make the blade grab. There are more of advantages winching from the top. For one, using the top tends to lift the logs so they don't plow so much and are more likely to ride up over snags and debris.

The point I was disagreeing with was where Coby said that you should never winch off the top pully. That is not at all true. And I feel a new user needs to know that. They are designed to be used that way. And if the winch matches the tractor the top link is plenty strong. Pulling at a side angle is what will tear your top link out. The top link should take a hard straight winch just fine. The weakest part of of the winch line is most often the cable or pully shaft not the top link.

 

[CobyRupert]

I'm not crazy, I did read it in the manual:


....although I don't follow their guidlelines. What do they know!

 

[Gordon Gould]

I can see what you mean and why you would thing as you did. That is very unclear. But I believe that they are referring to when you are skidding the logs out to the landing and not to the act of winching. The key being they state you are less likely to tip over (backwards if the load catches or up hill, or sideways during a turn) when using the bottom pully. That only makes sense skidding. It would be almost impossible to tip the tractor over with a straight winch pull off the top pully unless the tractor is way to light for the winch. You could winch it over with a side pull however, which is a big no-no, and also twist up your lift arms and top link. Tip over is a definately a higher risk when skidding from the top pully especially if the load is to heavy for the machine set up.
If you read your manual the way I suggested about it agrees exactly to what the Farmi manual says about pully usage.

 

[MAN IN BLACK]

Thanks ev1 for your comments.
I put my unit to work this past week, and it's unbelievable how much power they have !
I had my GC2610 stuck to the frame with a fully loaded 1.5 ton dump trailer of wood...hooked the winch to the front of tractor frame, and home we go...not more than that !
Running the tractor idle , I was pulling 20" trees as nothing !
Should have bought one of these much sooner...not having to carry multiple lengths of 3/8 grade 70 chains, through hills , creek , brush and all was great + being able to watch what is happening while pulling, is nice, not having to drive forward
I would certainly recommend a winch to anyone working in the forest seriously.
Black

 

[Rod in Forfar]

Thanks ev1 for your comments.
I put my unit to work this past week, and it's unbelievable how much power they have !
I had my GC2610 stuck to the frame with a fully loaded 1.5 ton dump trailer of wood...hooked the winch to the front of tractor frame, and home we go...not more than that !

Black

Cautionary Tale:

In my salad years I worked as a surveyor in the summer. This job was a long, rising curve with muskeg between the hills on the Rideau Ferry Road. When it came time to install the 6' culvert, a new kid on a Case Construction King backed down to the edge of the gravel, set his stabilizers, reached out for a bucket full of muskeg, and sank to the axles.

Not to be deterred, he hustled up the slope and asked the operator of the Caterpillar D10 bulldozer to give him a hand. The kid took the winch cable from the back of the D10, passed it over the front axle, under the oil pan, and back over the axle before hooking back to the cable. The D10 tightened up the cable, then actually spun a little bit before the Case's engine block split in half and dumped several gallons of black oil onto the ground.

The kid reached into the cab of the backhoe for his lunchbox and walked back up the hill to his car. We never saw him again.

 

[Chilly807]

I will say this, if you pull at very low rpm, there is a risk of the engine nearly stalling then re-starting, except running backwards! Hard to believe, but it happened to me a couple years ago.

Here's the thread..

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/259588-l3400-running-backwards.html

Sean