John deere loader specs.

[Dizno]

Did I mention the fact John Deere designs their own engine oil, hydraulic oil, and engine coolants to a very high specification? That's right, I didn't. Just another way John Deere shows they care.

Proven tractors, proven technology - year after year.

 

[GManBart]

You still don't get my point. When my John Deere 1020 comes to a grinding halt at ...say...12,000 hours which many of them get to, I will be able to:

-get an OEM engine kit from the same company that manufactured it
-will not have to bore it out because it has sleeves
-have it rebuilt many, many times

While you will have to:

-get your tractor rebuilt long before I do
-bring your engine to a machine shop to get bored out
-try to get your parts from FIAT because FORD no longer exists similar to many other tractor companies

Quality should NOT include performance. No different than a stock car might be able to win a race for a year while a well appointed working car could last years. The laws of metallurgy whereby heat treatments, and wear characteristics all have to come together. An example could be ratio of rear axle to front axle and front axle to bucket pivot point. It all has to make sense or the loader tractor is not balanced. This is the reason why I DISAGREE that specifications are the answer. You would buy a "will fit" loader, put it on your tractor because of specification only to have your front axle bust in half. What good is that?

You are smart not to compare to John Deere. The hard work and care John Deere dealerships have for customers for whom they deal with along with the humbleness they exude always is so amazing to see and experience.

See, you're suffering from the classic brand loyalty blindness which so often afflicts brand zealots. I'll try to break it down for you. You stated that a Deere would outlast a Kubota, due to a list of features like the kind of welds on the pistons. I pointed out that your argument is invalid because there are tractors without those features still running just fine after many, many decades, so we really don't know any actual service life comparison numbers....the old stuff hasn't needed those "improvements" to outlast most people.

You then asked how old my tractor was....I have several, and detailed my oldest machine. I wasn't comparing it to anything, just answering your question. You then attacked the 8N, comparing it to your 20 year newer, much larger 1020....for no reason.

If I was trying to compare roughly similar machines, I would have listed my Massey, which is the same basic size as yor 1020, but has more power, more 3pt lift, etc....simply a more capable machine.

Performance IS part of quality, whether you like it or not. When someone has a job to do, they don't ask "does this loader have nickel chrome plated pistons?", they ask "how much, and how high, can it lift?". When someone try's to defend something with inferior performance, the first thing they scream is "but it's higher quality". Hogwash, if it costs more, and performs worse, it isn't a higher quality product.

Deere cares for the almighty dollar, or they wouldn't be closing local dealerships left and right, forcing people to travel farther to get service, and support, from mega chains who don't care about you if you don't own a fleet of equipment.

Deere humble? Are you nuts? There are more threads about people being ignored and insulted at Deere dealerships than all other brands combined. How about when people repeatedly talk about going to a dealer to buy, that day, and not getting the time if day from the sakes people? Lots if threads like that ere, and in other forums. What about when people are looking to demo, or see a particular model, and the sakes people say "order one, and you can look at it"? The list goes on, but your blind loyalty to one brand keeps you from noticing those, I guess....

 

[DeereMann]

I have learned a lot about the other brands, thanks to you guys. I am not that heavy a user like many of you, so was not that concerned about sticking with Deere for my upgrade to a SCUT, the dealer is close (10 miles), and prices/services well. I guess I was kind of naive & shocked to read the comments here.

The biggest issue for me would have been the turnover at some brands, & distance to selling & servicing dealers. Maybe that doesn't matter so much now with the web?

I would have test-driven a Kubota & Kioti for sure.

Oh, well - I still have fun with my Deere - don't think I got ripped off too bad?

 

[GManBart]

I have learned a lot about the other brands, thanks to you guys.

Same here! Congrats on MOM!

For everybody else, I'm not suggesting Deere makes anything but a quality machine. It's just that saying they're going significantly outlast a Kubota is a big stretch.

 

[Dizno]

See, you're suffering from the classic brand loyalty blindness which so often afflicts brand zealots. I'll try to break it down for you. You stated that a Deere would outlast a Kubota, due to a list of features like the kind of welds on the pistons. I pointed out that your argument is invalid because there are tractors without those features still running just fine after many, many decades, so we really don't know any actual service life comparison numbers....the old stuff hasn't needed those "improvements" to outlast most people.

You then asked how old my tractor was....I have several, and detailed my oldest machine. I wasn't comparing it to anything, just answering your question. You then attacked the 8N, comparing it to your 20 year newer, much larger 1020....for no reason.

If I was trying to compare roughly similar machines, I would have listed my Massey, which is the same basic size as yor 1020, but has more power, more 3pt lift, etc....simply a more capable machine.

Performance IS part of quality, whether you like it or not. When someone has a job to do, they don't ask "does this loader have nickel chrome plated pistons?", they ask "how much, and how high, can it lift?". When someone try's to defend something with inferior performance, the first thing they scream is "but it's higher quality". Hogwash, if it costs more, and performs worse, it isn't a higher quality product.

Deere cares for the almighty dollar, or they wouldn't be closing local dealerships left and right, forcing people to travel farther to get service, and support, from mega chains who don't care about you if you don't own a fleet of equipment.

Deere humble? Are you nuts? There are more threads about people being ignored and insulted at Deere dealerships than all other brands combined. How about when people repeatedly talk about going to a dealer to buy, that day, and not getting the time if day from the sakes people? Lots if threads like that ere, and in other forums. What about when people are looking to demo, or see a particular model, and the sakes people say "order one, and you can look at it"? The list goes on, but your blind loyalty to one brand keeps you from noticing those, I guess....

First of all, let me say sorry if I don't have your same opinion. And I am not nuts - I am well educated both with years of operating tractors (including many hours driving a Massey Ferguson 165) and was schooled in well respected agricultural programs - I have the degrees to prove it - I worked hard to earn them and have the common sense to know there is much for me to learn as well as the capacity to discern a good tractor from a poorer one. Differing from some, if I'm allowed an opinion, is I do not believe they were engineered to the same quality. The problem is, we don't totally agree what quality is - the only example you cite is a 3 pt hitch capacity example.

Second, I am trying to have a rational uplifting debate. If I am a "brand zealot" and am comparing a 1020 to an 8N which truly is unfair as this was positioned as a tractor that most could afford and did have some neat features such as a 3 pt hitch and was a much older design, why is it fair to compare a Massey 241 which is from year 2000-2001 according to TractorData as I am not familiar with it while the 1020 is from 1965-1973? Almost 30 years newer. I also went to the ratings on the 241 on this website and...there were none and so I won't place an opinion on something I don't know about. What I do know is my 1020 has four reverse gears, 8 speeds forward, good hydraulic flow at 10 gpm closed centre hydraulics, wet brakes, and sleeves in the engine so it can be rebuilt cost effectively after having a long service life if properly maintained with quality John Deere oils and filters. I guarantee your 241 will missing some of these attributes. Example - for loader work a mix of decent reverse speeds will result in less clutch wear or more productivity - perhaps both. Perhaps I am wrong - but I suspect not - my humblest apologies if I am.

Saying people are more frequently insulted by Deere people than all the other brands combined is personal. I won't respond to that. You said it. As for the direction of John Deere and you angst towards this - also has little to do with the product - that is an opinion you possess. I won't respond to that.

What I can say - I never talked about welds on any pistons. I talked facts on features and why they are good value. We could talk all day long about the value of telematics and electronic engine-transmission communications, guidance products such as machine sync all of which John Deere has invested a lot of money to make people's tractors better and more efficient. Many brands do not have this and because some may not value this at all - doesn't mean others are wrong because they purchase it from a company that sells what people in general want in order to earn their daily bread.

Therefore, I am sorry if I am passionate with my satisfaction for my John Deere tractors. I polish and cherish them - they drive like silk and the pleasant ergonomics, predictable performance, and steadfast reliability make me a happy owner. I try to be factual where possible.

And yes, when I go to a friendly John Deere dealer and I politely ask him why simple things like why John Deere oil is so good, they do serve me in a friendly manner and explain to me, for example, that Hy-guard hydraulic oil was designed already in the 1960s to make farmers lives better and has the specification sheet to show why it is quality as opposed to rhetoric, I am a happy, simple person. I find contentment in this. Although there are sometimes the odd bad apple in a bushel basket, I don't have much problem at all dealing with friendly John Deere dealers - perhaps it is my naturally sunny disposition that is attractive, or perhaps some others may not share these attributes.

Goodnight,

Dizno

 

[Dizno]

I have learned a lot about the other brands, thanks to you guys. I am not that heavy a user like many of you, so was not that concerned about sticking with Deere for my upgrade to a SCUT, the dealer is close (10 miles), and prices/services well. I guess I was kind of naive & shocked to read the comments here.

The biggest issue for me would have been the turnover at some brands, & distance to selling & servicing dealers. Maybe that doesn't matter so much now with the web?

I would have test-driven a Kubota & Kioti for sure.

Oh, well - I still have fun with my Deere - don't think I got ripped off too bad?

Excellent choice - you will enjoy a fantastic machine with Auto-connect, a leading edge seat for ride quality, and one of the nicest packages in the industry. You purchased an awesome tractor - if I could afford one, I'd buy one. Why I purchased a 455 John Deere - can't swing the 1026R yet. Give me a few more years!

 

[murphy1244]

I don't think he could of bought a Kubota with his handle being DeereMann.

 

[TomSeller]

I will say that, particularly on larger tractors, Deere has insight into the design that is not present in any other brand. Deere does things in my community that helps the farmer's future such as donating a building and equipment to the local college. I can guarantee there is no Kubota building there, no Mahindra, no LS, no Massey buildings there. Just the John Deere building, and that Green paint. I have other brands besides Deere, but I have to admit that when it is harvest time, it is Deere time. Go Deere.

 

[GManBart]

First of all, let me say sorry if I don't have your same opinion.


What I can say - I never talked about welds on any pistons. I talked facts on features and why they are good value.

Yes, if you shared my opinion, it would mean you being objective.

Sorry, I meant welds on cylinders, not pistons.

 

[adventure bob]

All I can say is wow. I'm concerned that a tractor company is worried about oil. That's like Mercedes making Mercedes oil (they don't by the way, they recommend high end synthetics from OIL companies). With enough time and money I bet JD could get pretty good at it, but I think Id rather have oil experts worry about oil, and my tractor company worry about my tractor.
While I will conceded that kids tend to dream in JD Green; I highly doubt any kid ever said "when I grow up I want an Iseki." ****, I wanted a JD, but the price per features made me go orange.
IMHO, most folks wont use their tractors hard enough to notice the difference between tractors.
Those who do are called commercial farmers and they wouldn't buy the tractors were using anyways.
So for some lighthearted perspective, my friend with a commercial farm in Montana laughs at me and says "Yeah the L4060 garden tractor is real nice but, real tractors start at 100HP."