Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric

   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #21  
I will call you out on the above. You are probably correct, they have fudged the numbers on that motor, but you said you only used a 3hp motor on your conversion, so what is the problem? And service factor should not be a problem if it only has to strain momentarily when going through a tough piece of wood. Most of the time it will be idling or just moving the ram back and forth.

Yes I am using a 3. Not sure what you are calling out though. I disclosed all of the info and why I am using it.the pump at max pressure draws 11amp on three phase. Granted, it don't happen much when splitting, but the unit is still capable of of burning up my 8amp rated motor. But given that I have a ton of them, big deal.

But if I was doing it from scratch, and buying a motor, AND wanted it to last, I would get an actual 5hp motor.

But hey, it ain't my money. But you get what you pay for.
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #22  
I will also point out that when I say this pump draws 11ish amps on my setup, don't confuse that with a single phase setup. You will be drawing more like 17 amps when dead-heading the pump. Which will burn up a 15amp motor if the sf is only 1.0
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #23  
If I understand this -- a 5 hp electric motor with 20.8 fla draw, a sf of 1.0 and manual overload protection (like the Leeson catalog # 120554) will have enough power for a 11 gpm woodsplitter pump and not draw too many amps to burn up the motor.

The Lesson catalog # 120554 is listed for compressor or other industrial application

not all 5 hp motors that are compressor duty are 15 fla
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #24  
If I understand this -- a 5 hp electric motor with 20.8 fla draw, a sf of 1.0 and manual overload protection (like the Leeson catalog # 120554) will have enough power for a 11 gpm woodsplitter pump and not draw too many amps to burn up the motor.

The Lesson catalog # 120554 is listed for compressor or other industrial application

not all 5 hp motors that are compressor duty are 15 fla

You understand correct. Watch out for the HP rating saying something like 5 spl. Special purpose. Means they can get away with making you think it is 5 HP when it really isnt.

But either way, HP ratings of the motors are irrelevant. Then AMP rating is what you need to look at. And anything 20+ should be good on 240v to run that pump. 15 amp rating...not so much. The SF ratings are how much you can over current the motor and not hurt it. 1.0 gives no room for error. So 15 amp motor, anytime it draws more than that, like an occasion spike to 16, will really shorten the life. Now if you had a 15A motor with a SF 1.15, you wouldnt hurt anything till you drew more than 17.25A.

Here is a leeson 3 HP motor. Look at how the amp rating compairs closely with that "5 hp spl" compressor motor listed earlier http://www.leeson.com/leeson/searchproduct.do;jsessionid=F436B701097576E3C9002A9F23E90231

15 Amps clearly isnt anywhere near 5 HP on single phase 230v

Also, that leeson you listed with 20.8 FLA, it is an open drip-proof motor. Personally I would prefer a TEFC motor on a splitter being in a dirty environment. But they are also more money.

And not sure what you can actually buy or find these motors for $$$, but at least looking at leesons site, a similar 3 phase versions are several hundred cheaper on list. If that turns out to be the case, you may want to consider a VFD like I mentioned.

Unless you can find a used good motor, or are willing to spend $$$, there is no easy way to convert to electric.
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #25  
"Also, that leeson you listed with 20.8 FLA, it is an open drip-proof motor. Personally I would prefer a TEFC motor on a splitter being in a dirty environment. But they are also more money."

I agree 100% on the TEFC motor.

The Leeson # 120554 I got on ebay for $245.00 free shipping. I mounted the motor and pump away from wood splitting area and installed a protective cover. The wood splitter also stays in the shop when not in use.
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #26  
Here's a motor that should do it for $199.95. 5 HP 230 VAC 3450 RPM LEESON AIR COMPRESSOR MOTOR

Here are the lovejoys. The motor above has a 5/8 shaft. 5/8" L-099 JAW COUPLING HALF

If your pump has a 1/2" shaft, you will need this other half. 1/2" L-099 JAW COUPLING HALF

And this rubber spider. BUNA-N INSERT FOR L-099 JAW COUPLING

You will have to make a "L" bracket to support that motor vertically, since it mounts on the bottom.

Don't forget you will need a pretty big switch to turn this thing on and off. Surplus didn't have anything that would work besides a relay.

I just took an old gas lawn mower and made a splitter drive. Learned a couple of things:

1. My pump looks like yours (16 gpm at 3600 rpm), is 2 stage and cannot tolerate lateral stresses. I like "ajmaxes" installation as it solves that problem of lateral stress. The pump shaft has to turn CW on mine and maybe yours too. I like the motor Franklin 2 picked out as it can be reversible....to drive the pump in the desired direction, is a high torque application.... to hang in there when the splitter loads up and kicks in it's high pressure function. The 3450 rpm matches the rated pump capacity of mine and supports the direct drive like aj has in his installation. Otherwise the drive gets complicated....V belts, different sheave diameters, additional brackets, selection of the correct belt to carry the HP. My pump has no position limits; can be mounted in any position....vert, horiz, 45 degrees.

I encountered other problems that required funding but you aren't facing the same peculiarities in your electrical application.

I bought my supplies at Northern Tool. I did learn that their Lovejoy couplings listed in their catalog for $20 are just one half. So you need to buy two halves and the rubber cushion Franklin mentioned. That makes it easy in selecting one shaft size for the pump and a different one for the drive once you realize you will be spending $40-50 for the hookup. The Couplings use a square key to lock them to the shafts. You can get key stock at an auto parts store and cut to the desired length. I left a little gap between halves to prevent any stress transfer that wasn't part of turning the pump.

Wattage to hp correlation is 741 watts (volts x amps x power factor) per hp. Power factor is around 1 or less depending on motor design and load. Since hp is (torque x rpm)/5250 or thereabouts, with the motor and gas engine running at the same rpm, the only difference is torque. On the difference in electrical hp to gas hp, the difference has to be in the way the motor is wound and started to get high torque. Cap start with a series or series combo gets you the high torque you need to handle the load. Again, Franklin's motor selection looks perfect. Gas engines just don't put out a lot of torque for that size. I guess that's why they started torque rating them rather than hp rating like has been done in the past.

On a switch, I don't see a problem at all. 15 amps is not all that much. A cheap switch is a 15 or 20 amp 240 volt single phase circuit breaker like you would have in your power panel for your house, running a small air conditioner. Get you a little NEMA box to put it in, wire it with suitable cable and go for it. If it wears out, it will take awhile, and replacing is no big deal.

The starting load on the switch is minimal as the pump is not under any stress to speak of so the switching current would be low; basically a little startup spike and the idle current of the motor which is nothing as compared to the full load current. Same when you turn it off, no load means low current, means a small arc upon breaking and little contact wear. The big load comes when the ram drives the log onto the spike, in the first instant, and the switch is closed and could care less.

I had fun building mine, works great and would do it again in a heartbeat.

Good luck,
Mark
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #27  
Sometimes I think the HP label is what the stalled motor was drawing just before it caught fire. :)

When comparing motor labels, get out your calculator.

volts x amps = watts

watts divided by 746 = horsepower.

Bruce
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #28  
Sometimes I think the HP label is what the stalled motor was drawing just before it caught fire. :)

When comparing motor labels, get out your calculator.

volts x amps = watts

watts divided by 746 = horsepower.

Bruce

Actually got to figure in the efficiency too. Since electric motors arent 100% eff
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #29  
Actually got to figure in the efficiency too. Since electric motors arent 100% eff

But you never know that number for any particular motor. The simple calculation works for finding dishonest HP labels. The HP label should not be higher than the calculated HP.

I get tired of seeing "5hp" tools with a 120v 15 amp plug.

Bruce
 
   / Converting this Huskee 22 ton log splitter to electric #30  
But you never know that number for any particular motor. The simple calculation works for finding dishonest HP labels. The HP label should not be higher than the calculated HP.

I get tired of seeing "5hp" tools with a 120v 15 amp plug.

Bruce

Agreed.

80% is a good average though. Which makes that 15a motor listed earlier only be worth ~3.7HP. Heck, even 100% efficient it isnt 5hp.

@ 80% eff, to actually get 5hp with 230v, you need 20.27A minimum motor rating. I guess thats why you see most motors that actually ARE 5hp, listed in the 20-23A range. Cause thats an honest number.

Heck, if you just look at the fact that the "5 hp special" compressor motor is only 38lbs, and the actual 5hp leeson that surplus sells for $430 is 87lbs should tell you something right there.
 

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