50 hour Hydro Oil for the non believers

[murphy1244]

You obviously didn't even read the post, the oil didn't come out of a engine.
Kiotis are not made in india.
You have numerous posts scattered about this massage board ranting about new tractors with cupholders.

I see you have a Cab John Deere, no cupholders? Or is that a REAL tractor because it's a John Deere?
Get over it.

Friggen Green Slime owner No Doubt! Indian Kioti's now???? What's next? Rainbow colored JD's?

 

[CalG]

This could have been a good thread

if only any real information would have been presented.

We have the OP with a photo that clearly shows......ah...nothing. The stuff may be harmful or may not. Certainly it sounds like there is debris present that should not make it through any filter system. And yet it's included. Has anyone experienced a blocked filter in only 50 hours? NEVER HEARD THE LIKE, and I've been keeping tabs for better than 50 yrs.

Then there were all the horror stories... Not 50 hour stories, but stories of "failed maintenance". OK, that's not news. We do need to take care of our equipment if we want it to last. The manufacturers reputation is at stake...perhaps we would do well to follow thier lead. (I admit that "lifetime fluids" in automobiles is a BIG MISTAKE, but....., that's not 50 hour fluid dumps ;-)

So, It would be very informative if the "contamination" shown were better qualified.

As my first post questioned,

How many hours will be added to the service life of the equipment by this 50 hour fluid change, and what component is at risk by following the mfgs. suggested fluid change schedule?

facts are fun

pissing matches....ahh...not so fun

ps, I did by a case of straight 30wt today, the Fordson is due for an engine oil change. The stuff is looking a bit black on the dip stick.

**** detergent oils. keeps the soot in suspension where I can see it....Hate that black looking oil...;-)

 

[grm61]

So, It would be very informative if the "contamination" shown were better qualified.

I'm not concerned enough about it to take the time and spend the money to get it analyzed.

How many hours will be added to the service life of the equipment by this 50 hour fluid change, and what component is at risk by following the mfgs. suggested fluid change schedule?

This is the manufacturers suggested fluid change the way I read it.
It's kind of a grey area with Kioti because of conflicting literature.
One book says fluid and filters at 50, another says filters only at 50.

The purpose of my post, was to show the folks that elected not to do the fluid at 50, and just do the filters, that there was crap in there, nothing more.

You seem smart enough to know what components if grit got run through, them could be compromised.

**** detergent oils. keeps the soot in suspension where I can see it....Hate that black looking oil...;-)

I'm well aware of what detergent oil isand I don't like looking at black oil either.

 

[CalG]

Thank you for that clarification.!

Not being at all interested in Kioti service requirements, I was previously not aware of the ambiguity.

Now I am!

I suppose the one question that remains is "If only the filter is changed, does a new filter capture the potentially damaging crap that you have shown is present in the fluid"?

ps

With the explative starred out, the expression of that last sentence is confused.

It is not a tutoring.

Read

Dang detergent oils,.....

'keeps the soot in suspension where I can see it.

(non detergent would let that crap settle out ...out of sight and out of mind. Splash lube and babbit bearings are such a wonderful thing....

The Fordson is 64 years and counting and i'm not far from ;-)

 

[Tractor Seabee]

Why don't we let this thread die a gentle death. We are beating the dead horse to death. I am as much to blame as anyone. Lets take the few nuggets of solid information to be gleaned, make our own decisions based on either side as fits our own proclivities; change fluids and filters or don't or some middle ground. I have my mind made up, you make yours up, and lets go on to more fertile ground. Like a lot of threads this one has become a drill in futility.

Ron

 

[grm61]

I suppose the one question that remains is "If only the filter is changed, does a new filter capture the potentially damaging crap that you have shown is present in the fluid"?

One would hope so...
Maybe it was stuff that had settled in the bottom of the machine, I am glad it is not in there any more.

 

[the old grind]

Sure, that stuff that drained out likely never got to the filter, at least past the pickup screen, whether floating around or not. All it would have to do is stay in the bottom of the pan and never break up or float up in pieces and I wouldn't have felt bad shelling out $250 today for a 50hr go around 'by the book'. BTW, I had to read my OM a few times to be sure the full deal was spelled out and critical to the warranty's demands.

I'm riding my second Shibaura-made 'Ford/NH', and bought this one new. While I was at the dealership for consumables I joked with the guys that having to keep my meter hrs below 50 to keep my warranty (and waiting for warm to change fluids/filters) was my excuse to neighbors that they've had enough freebies for one winter. They said it was the smartest idea I've related in the 13-some years they've had to put up with me. I could have asked them if pi__ing away $250 for one unneeded servicing in the whole life of a tractor was one of the dumbest, but I quit while I was ahead. I feel about this bad about it: :drink::dance1::drink:

 

[thorholt]

I think that if you follow the manufactures maintenance schedule you will be fine, I run a auto repair shop and have a insurance adjuster customer that bought a 2006 Chev Impala and he was changing oil on the engine every 3000 miles, about every 3 weeks for him, the oil always looked like new when we changed it.
The GM engine control module monitors the type of trips, miles driven while warm etc and turns on the "Change Oil" light when it reaches a level it considers that the oil is contaminated, I talked him into following the monitor system instead of changing the oil every 3 weeks or so, He was skeptical at first because the system was running the oil 7000 plus miles before changing it, The car now has 425,000 on it and still running strong with no engine or transmission problems at all yet, It has saved him a lot of $ on oil changes over the years.
My point is to follow the manufactures recommended schedule and you should get the best service from your machines, they have done the testing for you.

 

[BigMike50]

well if you had pieces as big as a dime, you have a serious problem that requires a warranty claim!!!! other than that, you should have 2 inline filters that take care of the rest during routine maintence as instructed byt the manual. Other than that, do what you feel is best for your machine. I have always followed routine mainenecce and it has never failed on any brand machine. Never had catastrophic failure on any!!! Even over the course of owning a particular brand for 15 years which is a major stretch when I usually filter out old for new machines in 10 years. Do what you feel warrants

 

[murphy1244]

well if you had pieces as big as a dime, you have a serious problem that requires a warranty claim!!!! other than that, you should have 2 inline filters that take care of the rest during routine maintence as instructed byt the manual. Other than that, do what you feel is best for your machine. I have always followed routine mainenecce and it has never failed on any brand machine. Never had catastrophic failure on any!!! Even over the course of owning a particular brand for 15 years which is a major stretch when I usually filter out old for new machines in 10 years. Do what you feel warrants

Short throw, How many JDs CUTS have you had?