wood stoves

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I would wait and look for a used one in the paper, or Craigs list, many people change fuel sources due to cost, age, or they are moving and try to get a little more money out some things around the house.

EPA laws may have changed, but burning wood hasn't.
 
   / wood stoves #12  
We use a Vermont Castings Defiant wood stove here and also at our mountain camp. The older one we bought for right around $1800 back in 2000 just bought a new one for home it was about $3000 installed. Once over the sticker shock the things we like about the defiant are top loading and the ash pan. It is easy to load and taking out the ashes is nice. We heat our home with wood it is about 1800 square feet of heated space and although we have a force hot water furnace we only use the furnace for times we are going to be away for several days. We cut wood off from our land and also buy log length wood from time to time. Nothing is free as there is the cost of the wood tools, tractor to pull logs in , all the stacking, hauling wood in, hauling ashes out. Guess one could say the wood heats you up several times every year. This winter we frilled the oil tank, first time in over six years and the Bill was over $600 if we were using oil that would happen five or six times a heating
 

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Those prices are crazy. When I started looking for my wood stove, I read everything I could on the different brands and what the offered over each other. Once you get into a certain category, and size it for your square footage, you narrow down the field quite a bit. Over and over again I kept coming back to Napolean as the brand I liked the best from what I was reading online. The only problem is that the closest dealer was 8 hours away. Cost of what I wanted brand new was around $1,600 plus the pipes. There was also a model that was mobile home safe for a bit more, but I forget the numbers. Then before I could find the time to go buy it, I found a used one for $800 on Craigslist half an hour away from my house. Turned out it was the mobile home model and he had some of the piping for it. He had moved here from Wisconsin and said he loved that stove so much he couldn't leave it behind. The house he bought here in TX had a much fancier stove in it already and it took him a year to finally decide to sell it since he didn't have a use for it. I got lucky, but I'm always watching and doing searches on Craigslist, so it does happen from time to time.

Eddie
 
   / wood stoves #14  
We have an Osburn, I think a 2200 or 2400, that has side glass. We bought mail order because the local store which is no longer in business had unreal prices. They had one stove that was 6-8 feet tall, round, with stainless steel that looked like a Star Trek transporter, I kid you not. To open the stove to put in wood, you lifted the half round glass "door" UP. I guess it would look good in a very modern house if you had a Wookie as a butler. You could afford a butler if you had the stove since it was $20,000.

We bought the stove from Obadiahs( Wood Stoves, Wood Fireplace, Cookstoves, Stoves, Wood Furnaces, Fireplaces, Boilers, Gas Fireplaces, Wood Heat, Pellet Stoves, Pellet Furnace, Zero Clearance Fireplaces ) and got excellent customer service. The wifey had quite a few questions and the company, I think she was talking to one of the owners, was very patient and helpful. When the stove was being installed there were some rafter and joists that prevented a straight chimney install. We needed two 45 degree chimney pieces ASAP so we called Obadiahs and they had the sections to use in a day or two. Ironically, the supplier was only an a couple of hours away from us.

Our house is 2424 sf with 10 foot ceilings. I would assume the sf rating on stoves are for 8 foot ceilings and the stove is rated for 2000 to maybe 2200 sf. But our ceiling increases the house volume by 20% AND every major room has a window that is 8x5 or 8x6 and the living room has a 12x6 window. Those windows are great big energy holes but the stove keeps the living room at 80ish if the temperatures stay 20-40ish. The living room is 76 this morning even though it has been cloudy/rainy for a day or two and the temps have not gotten any higher than 40ish. When we get single digit temps, which has only happened four times, three times this year, :shocked::(, and the highs don't get above 30, then the stove struggles to keep the living room at 75ish. The farthest rooms from the stove will be 5-10 degrees cooler. Thankfully, these super cold days for us do not happen often and for long otherwise we would install a second stove.

The Osburn is what we use to heat the house. We run the heat pump every once in awhile to exercise the system but the wood stove keeps us warm. Not a danged thing wrong with the Osburn after almost 10 years. Whichever stove you get, go to TSC or some place similar and get a stove thermometer. That thermometer really helps to run the stove. Our thermometer has three zones, too cold, just right, and too hot. We load the stove up when the fire burns down into the too cold zone and the wood will always burn into the too hot zone for a time. We keep the damper at its most closed position except when starting a fire. We keep the stove running for weeks at a time so the first does not have to get started unless we are out of the house all day or I don't wake up in the middle of the night to load the stove. I get up almost every night anyway so loading the stove is not a problem.

Also, try to get a supply of outside air for the fire. We have a six inch PVC pipe running under the slab from the outside of the house to the back of the stove for combustion air. Works really well. When the fire is burning you can feel the fire pulling air through the pipe. When the fire does not need air, there is not air moving into the house. :thumbsup: Simple, fool proof, and does not use power.:thumbsup:

Later,
Dan
 
   / wood stoves #16  
As I recall I have a almost the same stove that Eddie has. I bought mine new about 5 years ago. $1500 for stove. $1500 for pipes. $500 for installation. I figure I have broken even after 5 years on natural gas savings, but only if I don't put a value on my time. :laughing: I have a woodlot, and I have to clear it of undesirable trees as part of my forest management plan, and lucky me, most of it is locust, which is great firewood. Since I had to clear it anyway, and I don't need a thousand fence posts, I didn't want the wood to go to waste, so we bought the wood stove. I'm happy. House is warm. I get some exercise. Wood doesn't go to waste.
 
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#17  
Wookie as a butler, I lol'd for five minutes.

Homade isn't an option if you want a home insurance policy around here.

Pretty much everything in this country is at or near 50% more than what you guys pay in the U.S.
I did find a highly recommended installer this morning and his prices are much cheaper than the Jotul store quoted, that's with the chimney too, like half the cost.
I've got another 2 quotes coming in sometime today.
As far as recouping $6-8000 for electricity cost it wouldn't take long. December, January and February alone I'm sitting at $1300 and winter ain't done doin' yet!
Thanks all and I'll be back with more later.
 
   / wood stoves #18  
I bought two used Vermont Casting stoves(Resolute) over the last 22 years. The first one was from a bargain hunter paper. It was $800... still a third of the price of a new one up here. I eventually replaced the cracked fireback - $150. About a year later(two-three years ago) I saw another Vermont Casting Resolute for sale $300! Went and checked it out. It was in excellent shape - new home owner with baby didn't want it in the house. I switched the old one out - to the work shop - and put in the newer one. I installed a ss flue in my larger brick chimney... 22 years ago - about $700 bucks.

So total for 22+ years is around $1950, plus this newer stove will last at least another 10 years before parts are needed. Not a bad return. Still cheaper than a new one. I would look at used and have a wett installer put it in or install yourself and have wett or insurance sign off on installation. House is old and around 1900sqft. We have oil fired hot water baseboard as a back up.

$3000-$4000 is a lot for a stove. yup... Canada... land of opportunity and high retail prices and taxes.

Good luck - keep us posted.
 
   / wood stoves #19  
Look at the PE Alderlea T6 or Summit.

I heat about the same area as you. My advise is get a larger stove than your area dictates, particularly if your house is "ranch" style. You can always turn a stove down (within reason).

Cost wise, your numbers are a bit high on the Jotul, but you might be getting quotes for Enamel which adds signifigantly. I was considering a Jotul F600 for my place, and it was about that cost with enamel.

Nickle or brass / gold trim can add SIGNIFICANTLY to the cost of a black steel stove, like hundreds of dollars!! so beware.

The Alderlea in Black cast and Summit enamel are about the same cost. Around $3K. PE's are made in BC, so your cost should be less due to shipping.

So far Im real happy with my Alderlea, and Id highly recommend.

Avoid Napoleon. My Alderlea replaced a Napo 1450. It was a massive POS. And Napoleons customer service sucks.

Osburn is another good Canadian brand. Dad's had one of their "bay window" stoves for several years now. Its a great heater.
 
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The wife likes the T6. Haven't got the price for it yet
 

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