3-Point Hitch L-series Jerky 3PH - Jeff's homebrew repair.

[Chilly807]

I talked with tech support, N.E, they are in Ohio. Dave miller. He told me that the L3200 and Lseries in general are economy tractors, the pto is jerky, it is designed that way. If I want smooth, to upgrade to a more expensive line. He said there is no one else to complain to, that I would only be refered back to him.
He said there is no fix for this because there is nothing broken. This is the way they are.

Pretty much what I was told through the Kubota Canada grapevine a couple years ago. Frustrating but consistent..

Sean

 

[My Hoe]

This may or may not be related, but lately I've been having problems with people who deny what they say.
I've talked to salesmen on the phone and when confronted in person I hear "I never said that, or You misinterpreted me"
This is frustrating. I hate to confront people and say Yeah, but put it in writting, maybe I ought to carry a tape recorder.

chuck,

As I'm several pages behind on this thread, my reaction your text (quoted above) will come as out of context to whatever is currently being discussed at the current terminus of the thread. So I do apologize for what will almost certainly appear to be "off topic" in that space. However, as I feel having a dealer stand behind their representations is of paramount importance, in this "business," (be it a hobby or an income-stream for you) I hope there is general agreement that my post is (generally) relevant. If not, I do apologize....

But I REALLY appreciate your taking the time to express your dismay over "...problems problems with people who deny what they say."


In fact, I would not have taken the time to write so extensively about it, except for the fact that YOU'RE the ONLY person I've ever heard independently express their frustration "with people who deny what they say." Ever. So your post was very gratifying to me. :thumbsup: I've had this "problem" with people, for decades. Whether it's conscious on their part or not, I cannot prove (in most cases) obviously. But my GUT tells me, all too often, that they are aware that they are LYING.

So, I used to joke about it and say "I've given up, long ago, on hoping people will (listen to and) remember what I say--I'd be happy if they'd AT LEAST (*cough*) 'REMEMBER' WHAT THEY SAID...."

I have since purchased a micro-recorder from SONY, (for other purposes, i.e., dictating things I'm writing) but am still teaching myself how to use it. (I think it was under $100.?) For $30., Radioshack can sell you a device (IF you can get them to look for it) that allows you to soundlessly switch on a recorder, during an active phone conversation (you have to set it up first, obviously) that will work with any old cassette recorder. I assume it will also work with the new micro-recorders. (Or you can just use a headset, on another extension, for fair-to-decent quality).

In NYS, for one, believe it or not, it is LEGAL to record a conversation if at least one party is aware that the recording is being made. And guess what? YOU qualify as the "one party." Dumb, I know--but who ever said "the law" is always smart?

I hate to say it, but as I have a "near-photographic memory" for dialogue, as I say, I have been plagued with this phenomenon of other people not remembering what THEY said, and then, as you say, DENYING WHAT THEY'VE SAID, for years. I actually think recording critical conversations is not as crazy as it sounds.

I "collect" quotations that have personal significance, and here is one by the famous author, Upton Sinclair:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
Upton Sinclair

I feel the quote is relevant to people who deny things they've said previously--either they didn't understand it, they don't remember saying it, or they're LY-I-N-G. (I know, it's a "dirty word," but it must be in the dictionary for a reason, right?)

Also, what do you hear when you call Verizon, or your credit card co.? ("Your call may be recorded, for training or quality-control purposes."). I submit to you, based on my experience working in a call center for a majory luxury car importer, that ANY call CAN be recorded, with the push of a button--because I've had to do it, in a few cases, with difficult customers and/or sensitive/legal issues.

So, if the "big boys" are all doing it, and they don't want to stand behind what they say, then why shouldn't we protect ourselves?

Please feel free to share any "coping mechanisms" you've discovered, or developed, to help you deal with this problem of "ours" that is caused by others' (inconveniently?) "bad" memories, i.e., "...with people who deny what they say." PM me if that works for you.

Best of luck.

My Hoe

Here is a link to a wiki on Upton Sinclair, if anyone's interested: Upton Sinclair - Wikiquote

 

[chuck172]

Well in my particular case it seems like honesty is prevailing. The dealer isn't denying telling me the 3pt. will smooth out when it warms. To tell the truth I think he is let down with kobuta too, after they refused to confront a Mal-function and even admit it's existance.
In principle, I just can't except paying top dollar for a new product, get a full warranty, and the maker (kubota) refuses to back their product.

 

[Chilly807]

My dealer was much the same, they weren't overly happy with the situation either. It put them in a bad spot.. a problem they couldn't fix, a manufacturer that insisted it was normal, and a customer that wasn't irate, but disappointed in one aspect of a newer tractor. In the end, they came out ok in the deal, they convinced me that they wanted to help as much as they could, which satisfied me in them as a reputable business and good people to deal with. We're still on good terms 4 years later.

Kubota.. well, they sold me one tractor. Someday they may sell me another, but my faith in them as a company has been diminished somewhat. I'll be a lot pickier if I buy another, maybe better informed thanks to TBN. Even today I have a tough time finding a better alternative that's competitively priced.

As for me, I'm enjoying my L3400 95% of the time, it's a heck of a good compact tractor with a lousy 3 point hitch control system. A big bunch of sweet crisp grapes with a few sour ones mixed in here and there.

Sean

 

[Bluegill2]

Well in my particular case it seems like honesty is prevailing. The dealer isn't denying telling me the 3pt. will smooth out when it warms. To tell the truth I think he is let down with kobuta too, after they refused to confront a Mal-function and even admit it's existance.
In principle, I just can't except paying top dollar for a new product, get a full warranty, and the maker (kubota) refuses to back their product.

Have you used your new tractor much? How jerky is the 3 pt hitch? What problems has it caused you? I would have never notice or even checked my 3 pt if I had not read about the jerky thing here...

 

[LD1]

Using a boom pole is about the only thing it won't do well.

Most if my implements, its either up or down. So no issues at all. Trying to make real fine adjustments when blading will give a little jerk, but tolerable.

And who needs a boom pole with a fel

 

[chuck172]

Wonder if the jerky 3pt. lift will hurt re-sale? Would the potential buyer understand that that's how the kubota was designed?

 

[Bluegill2]

Wonder if the jerky 3pt. lift will hurt re-sale? Would the potential buyer understand that that's how the kubota was designed?

Depends? They are not all that jerky.

Did you see my question to you a few posts ago?

 

[k0ua]

Wonder if the jerky 3pt. lift will hurt re-sale? Would the potential buyer understand that that's how the kubota was designed?

It hasn't so far, they sell the new ones by the thousands, and there are not a whole lot of used ones on the market. When they do appear they are sold pretty quick.
The price of the tractors, and what they can do with them is the deciding factor. Money talks, jerky hitch walks.

 

[Bluegill2]

It's not really a 'problem'. Yes there have been a few that were bad, but not many. Like I've said before, with mine you have to move the leaver slower than normal use to get a jerk. I grade a mile of gravel road with a box blade and don't have any trouble.