EPA issue ban on wood stoves

[DarkBlack]

But I'm NOT in denial that almost everything that is good in this country is due to successful gov't and successful regulation, that requires constant interest and constant upgrading.

FYI When you say you don't think they will ever ban them, that would be an opinion.
So if someone disagrees with that OPINION, they are not spreading BS or wrong.
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Agreed KS.

 

[dave1949]

All opinions are not equally probable.

For example:
I think pot will be legalized in the US. 50% chance.
I think wood stoves will be banned in the US. 1% chance.

At some level of probability, opinions drift toward the BS range.

 

[Sodo]

What you are missing is that people are not spreading BS for the most part. They are expressing concern and their opinions on the topic (especially in the last several days of this thread). I'm not understanding how an opinion or a concern where this may lead can be called BS. You may disagree with assertions but that doesn't make them wrong or right.

Concerns or assertions based on a false premise are simply false too. Spreading BS was the intent of the person who served the falsehood, and those who bought it are gullible, sorry.

The more interesting matter is who and why you are being fed un-true statements (to get you concerned). Aren't there enough TRUE statements to concern people these days?

The EPA did NOT issue a ban on woodstoves, so this is UNTRUE. It's reason is to confuse people.

 

[KSinWI]

Concerns or assertions based on a false premise are simply false too. Spreading BS was the intent of the person who served the falsehood, and those who bought it are gullible, sorry.

The more interesting matter is who and why you are being fed un-true statements (to get you concerned). Aren't there enough TRUE statements to concern people these days?

Read what the EPA had to say. There is plenty of concern there. If you want to believe otherwise, that's fine. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish. Doesn't mean the rest of us who are concerned are spreading BS or gullible. sorry

 

[Sodo]

Read what the EPA had to say. There is plenty of concern there. If you want to believe otherwise, that's fine.

AGREED! Those who want to remain concerned, and pay attention, are wise to do so. But "EPA issue ban on wood stoves" is not "true".

Heres the except from EPA.gov:

"Finding the Right Size and Model. Talk to a Professional

Wood stoves come in different sizes and can be sized to heat a single room or an entire home.

Small stoves are suitable for heating a family room or a seasonal cottage. In larger homes with older central furnaces, you can use a small stove for "zone heating" a specific area of your home (family or living room). This can reduce fuel consumption, conserve energy and save you money while maintaining comfort.

Medium stoves are suitable for heating small houses, medium-sized energy-efficient houses, and cottages used in winter.

Large stoves are suitable for larger, open plan houses or older, leakier houses in colder climate zones."


Here's the excerpt from Forbes

EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People

The EPA has recently banned the production and sale of 80 percent of America's current wood-burning stoves, the oldest heating method known to mankind and mainstay of rural homes and many of our nations poorest residents. The agency's stringent one-size-fits-all rules apply equally to heavily air-polluted cities and far cleaner plus typically colder off-grid wilderness areas such as large regions of Alaska and the American West.



…...see what I mean?

I dont trust the gov't to do the right thing always, but some things are working out. Air travel works. Our highway system works. Our banking system "works". Not without problems of course.

To see how Forbes spun this issue is truly suspect of their credibility. (it is my opinion that….) Anybody who thinks Forbes may be interested in helping "rural homes, or our nations poorest residents" (beyond acquiring their land if they have any) is truly "gullible".

 

[SPIKER]

SODO you are just wrong, as stated prior and as the article states that the existing wood stoves will not be able to be sold, they will be banned. HENCE the article title AND even if it is ONLY 50% or 25% of the existing stoves being manufactured the EPA is STILL BANNING some stoves PERIOD now please stop trying to say they are NOT banning them...

There is also the fact that the EPA has not made all of the rules final so they CAN/COULD/MIGHT just ban each and every stove made NOW even if the stove passed their stringent tests. Will they do that no probably not but the fact remains the EPA is strong arming existing wood stove manufactures and will force many of the small stove makers to go out of business as they could not afford the tens of thousands of dollars it costs to "test and prove their stoves make the cut."

Mark

 

[Sodo]

existing wood stoves will not be able to be sold, they will be banned.

Mark, "BANNED" means that nobody can possess them, this is NOT the case.

The ONLY problem the EPA ruling causes is: Commercial operations (stores) can't sell them. Maybe county building dept's can't approve them? Probably not in many counties. And this has been in force for maybe 25(?) years.

Nobody's going to come take your stove.

 

[ultrarunner]

One of the government websites says it is not possible to certify existing stoves... only the manufacturer can certify a stove which can cost 20k

My welding shop teacher back in vocational school taught stove building... I guess he would be lawbreaker under the new regs?

As to the EPA, the State, Regional Air Boards or individual cities... it really doesn't matter much to the end user... they all have the power of law enforcement and this is crux of the matter as I see it.

 

[Sodo]

My welding shop teacher back in vocational school taught stove building... I guess he would be lawbreaker under the new regs?

If he was manufacturing them for sale (after 1990) I suppose he's a lawbreaker. I bet he could do it and be OK, but a "real" manufacturer would get caught. Your question probably answers itself.

As to the EPA, the State, Regional Air Boards or individual cities... it really doesn't matter much to the end user... they all have the power of law enforcement and this is crux of the matter as I see it.

You could be right. Which "Clean Air Act is caused the problems you are experiencing, the 1970 Clean air Act? Or the 1990 Clean air act? It's been awhile.

 

[SPIKER]

Mark, "BANNED" means that nobody can possess them, this is NOT the case.

The ONLY problem the EPA ruling causes is: Commercial operations (stores) can't sell them. Maybe county building dept's can't approve them? Probably not in many counties. And this has been in force for maybe 25(?) years.

Nobody's going to come take your stove.

AGAIN you are wrong: see here banned - definition of banned by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Definition of "banned, ban·ning, bans"
1. To prohibit, especially by official decree (ex.) The city council banned billboards on most streets. See Synonyms at forbid.

further definitions at the link above.

In first sentence their example is exact same thing, EPA has Banned most stoves as they are built today, they can modify them and then do 20K in testing to prove the changes makes the stoves "Clean Burning" but they effectively BANNED the manufacture from making the old stoves any longer. Pretty much EVERYONE is telling you the same thing it is time to admit you were wrong in defending them in this.

Same as when Brady Bill BANNED any sales of new Assault Rifles (by their definition as to what a assault riffle was) you could not buy them in USA anymore until after the BAN was lifted...

Mark