kubota vs. kioti

[murphy1244]

I'm told that Kubota now calls the L series a Economy model, and if you want a smooth 3 point to buy the Grand L series.

 

[LD1]

I think Kubota deserves all the crap it can get for the three point system, so I have no problem with that. If they want less drama, they should ship a better three point hitch and be done with it, but they've let the problem persist for many years and through model upgrades. So I say flame away at them for that. The hitch is not a problem for my usage at all, but if Chuck didn't like it, he was right (and lucky) to get his money back.

Very well said. The hitch sucks. We all know that.

But hitch aside, strictly talking about the capability of the rest of the tractor, it does just fine.

The CK is certainly a heavier tractor,

Base tractor, yes.

L3200 with loaded tires vs CK35 without loaded tires....weight is the same.

And for about 99.9% of all offroad situations, with two equal weight tractors, R1's have better traction than R4's.

 

[crazyal]

Maybe the OP doesn't like his posts refered to as "hogwash"
Look, It's my opinion that the ck35 is a much more capable machine than the L3200. Now I know I'll be questioned (cross examined) as to what I mean about capable.
I only had the Kubota for 5 hours. In that short time I found out that the 3pt. lift sucked. Real Jerky. Kubota said " what I have is an economy model, that if I wanted a smooth lift, I should upgrade.
I tried to skid some logs with it, practically tipped the machine.
I then got a Kioti CK35. Big difference, more HP, heavier, same price. I know I'll be cross examined again, but it seemed the weight of the tractor is proportioned better to give the tank vs. toy effect.
The Kioti has industrial tires, not loaded. The Kubota had the Ag tires, loaded. The very short work I did with the Kubota was on a shale logging road.
I could go on in detail about the standard features of the Kioti vs. the Kubota. I'll let you guys handle that. I'm happy I got rid of the Kubota, and got the Kioti. I hope you bota people can try a Kioti to compare for yourselves. When you do, I'll listen to what you say and not refer to it as "hogwash"

If you don't like the treatment you're getting then you shouldn't have started this thread the way you did. You're lucky it hasn't been worse. Personally i have no idea what you're talking about as far as skidding logs goes. You have two tractors that weigh the same. One was lighter until the tires were filled making it the same. Filling the tires puts the weight closer to the ground. Weight closer to the ground increases stability. Are you sure that both tractors have the tires set to the same width? The Ag tires usually don't stick out as far, maybe that's the difference?

I like the Kioti. Didn't buy one for one reason, their dealerships in my area were opening and closing every other month. When I asked questions all they did was open the brochure and read what was written. When asked about a front mount snow blower they couldn't find any information at all. The only blower they had used a chain drive for both the auger and the impeller while the Kubota has a gearbox for the impeller.

Have fun with your tractor, it sounds like a great fit for you. I bet it'll give you years of good service.

 

[murphy1244]

I don't see where anyone posted one brand is better than the other. Maybe I missed something?

 

[LD1]

How would ag tires out pull industrial tires on hard dry shale? I think on these conditions I'd rather have a wider tire stance with more rubber meeting the ground.
I was just using the loader and chain to pull logs,

I think technique is the issue there. On VERY hard surfaces, I'd rate the traction equal between R4's and R1's. But pulling in reverse? And on a very hard surface, yea, the R4's may have a slight edge. But I certainly wouldnt go as far to say the kubota wouldnt budge them, and the CK did it with ease. But I have to ask, why did it take 8 pages and several days to simply answer the question of how you were hooked to the log and what the surface condition was?

Don't discount industrial tires, I have an old ford 4500 tlb and it pulls great. Plenty of weight in the right places on that machine. I also have an 8n with ag tires, and it pulls like a mule.

I have a Ford 5500TLB too. And on dry conditions, it has no issues snapping 3/8" GR70 chain that has a break strength of 25000#+. So I am not discounting industrials. But also know that if conditions are even somewhat smeary or soft, the TLB can barley get itself around, let alone pull something. In those conditions, my ~4000lb kubota would out-pull my 18000# TLB. And yes, have an 8n too. (dads actually). IT has oversized 12.4x28's that are loaded as well. My L3400 will pull more with the loader on (added weight in the right spot). And without the loader, its about an even match. As they weigh similar (maybe a tad more for the 8n since it holds more fluid), but the kubota is 4wd.

Try the Kioti CK35, LD1 and then tell me which machine you feel is more capable.

No need to try it. I have been around equipment of all makes, models, and sizes all my life. IMO, there is absolutly nothing that makes the CK "special" or any different than any of the other various equipment that I have been around, other than money. And I am not disputing that it is more capable either. It should be. IT weighs more. Just not the way you had them equipped. If I were to get one, it would have loaded R1's. So yea, it would be slightly more capable at pulling things. As far as what I use my tractor for 99% of the time, the CK certainly wouldnt be "noticeably" more capable. Same HP, so PTO stuff, like tilling and mowing...no difference. I already have no issues scooping and lifting full loads of dirt, gravel, whatever. So no difference. I lift alot of logs for cutting. The loader isnt any stronger on the CK, so no difference. you get the idea. IF I was buying a tractor cause I needed something more "capable", I'd be making a jup up in size. Not a lateral move.

I don't disagree that properly rigged, an L3200 can pull logs.

It sure sounded like it early in this thread. When you said the L3200 with loaded AG's wouldnt budge the logs, but the CK with R4's not loaded had no issues at all.

I hope that others reading this thread will at least try out a Kioti before jumping up to a Kobuta like I originally did.

Yes. The best advise is to try many makes/models before settling on one. I would have if there was a dealer around. But there wasnt a kioti dealer around. So I tried out a CNH TC33, A deere 3320, And my kubota. Took the one that was best for me.

I made a mistake the first time. No-one should have to settle for a jerky 3pt.

If they plan on using the hitch much at all, then you are right. For how I use my tractor, it isnt a problem. Yes, clearly the hitch isnt great. And there is a design issue that kubota attemped to fix as evident with several different valve revisions. They came to the conclusion that without totally re-designing the system (adding to the cost) there was no fix. And for what I use my tractor for, I would rather have the jerky hitch as opposed to the added cost.

 

[LD1]

There is just no comparison. The Kioti is like a tank compared to the kubota a toy.

I don't see where anyone posted one brand is better than the other. Maybe I missed something?

Perhaps this?

Not a good way to start a thread IMO. Especially given the lack of details that has now taken 8 pages to get.

The kubota is anything but a toy. Especially compared to a CK. Neither are toys, and boh very capable.

Now if the OP screwd up and bought too small of a tractor, and went from a L3200 up to a DK45 or something, then the whole tank vs toy think may have more merit.

 

[murphy1244]

Perhaps this?

Not a good way to start a thread IMO. Especially given the lack of details that has now taken 8 pages to get.

The kubota is anything but a toy. Especially compared to a CK. Neither are toys, and boh very capable.

Now if the OP screwd up and bought too small of a tractor, and went from a L3200 up to a DK45 or something, then the whole tank vs toy think may have more merit.

Aha! I did miss sumting..

 

[LD1]

Aha! I did miss sumting..

And it was the first post too:confused2:

 

[murphy1244]

And it was the first post too:confused2:

That will teach me! Heck, I doubt it.

 

[k0ua]

That will teach me! Heck, I doubt it.

Meh.. old dog, new tricks... not so much.:laughing: