kubota vs. kioti

[grm61]

I don't think a gear would have had any different results, the problem was a lack of traction. We tried it in dirt and gravel with the same results. I think there was something weird going on for the 8N to win, maybe it was just better at going drawbar to draw bar.

I'm just speculating...ground pressure, the CK with r4s would have a 15-19.5 drive tire, short and fat with a very flat profile (I always disliked that size of tire), too much flotation and not enough ground pressure the size of the tractor, along with whatever questionable ballast not being very heavy.

The 8n with the tall skinnies, loaded with calcium, bit and drove away.

 

[94BULLITT]

Interesting to have a 1WD 8N. Didnt know they ever made one. Odd that they would have.
larry

With a open diff you only have one wheel pulling or very close to all the power is going to one tire.

I'm just speculating...ground pressure, the CK with r4s would have a 15-19.5 drive tire, short and fat with a very flat profile (I always disliked that size of tire), too much flotation and not enough ground pressure the size of the tractor, along with whatever questionable ballast not being very heavy.

The 8n with the tall skinnies, loaded with calcium, bit and drove away.

Could have been too much flotation. There may have been a different outcome on blacktop.

 

[chuck172]

Maybe the OP doesn't like his posts refered to as "hogwash"
Look, It's my opinion that the ck35 is a much more capable machine than the L3200. Now I know I'll be questioned (cross examined) as to what I mean about capable.
I only had the Kubota for 5 hours. In that short time I found out that the 3pt. lift sucked. Real Jerky. Kubota said " what I have is an economy model, that if I wanted a smooth lift, I should upgrade.
I tried to skid some logs with it, practically tipped the machine.
I then got a Kioti CK35. Big difference, more HP, heavier, same price. I know I'll be cross examined again, but it seemed the weight of the tractor is proportioned better to give the tank vs. toy effect.
The Kioti has industrial tires, not loaded. The Kubota had the Ag tires, loaded. The very short work I did with the Kubota was on a shale logging road.
I could go on in detail about the standard features of the Kioti vs. the Kubota. I'll let you guys handle that. I'm happy I got rid of the Kubota, and got the Kioti. I hope you bota people can try a Kioti to compare for yourselves. When you do, I'll listen to what you say and not refer to it as "hogwash"

 

[Gittyup]

I with you, Chuck, on the weight thing. I've used a few "light" machines: 7510, B21, and JD 770 all without ballast. None of them seemed to be well planted when doing heavy hydraulic work, engaging the ground. In contrast my CK25 with loaded tires feels far more stable w.r.t. keeping all 4 wheels on the ground for similar chores. As long as not mowing, I will seek to use a heavy machine with loaded tires and rear ballast. I do wish I'd gotten R1's for their traction in the mud. And if I ever upsize, I'm going to look at a full utility tractor rather than a compact.

 

[k0ua]

I'm just speculating...ground pressure, the CK with r4s would have a 15-19.5 drive tire, short and fat with a very flat profile (I always disliked that size of tire), too much flotation and not enough ground pressure the size of the tractor, along with whatever questionable ballast not being very heavy.

The 8n with the tall skinnies, loaded with calcium, bit and drove away.

That sounds logical to me.

 

[LD1]

With a open diff you only have one wheel pulling or very close to all the power is going to one tire.

Both tires are putting the same power to the ground, even if one is spinning and one is not.

Maybe the OP doesn't like his posts refered to as "hogwash"
Look, It's my opinion that the ck35 is a much more capable machine than the L3200. Now I know I'll be questioned (cross examined) as to what I mean about capable.

Yes, the more capable is the only thing I am questioning.

I am not arguing one bit that the CK isnt a nicer machine. It is smoother, has more features, etc.

But the way you had them equipped, they weighed the same. (loaded tires on the 3200, not loaded on the CK). I just cannot understand why/how the tractor with R4's would out pull a tractor with AG's?

While I dont have any direct experience with a CK, I do have experience with many other tractors, of differing weights, and some with R4's and some with R1's. And R4's dont pull worth a crap in comparison. And In my experience, it would take even more than a 500# difference (once you load the tires) for the R4's to overcome the R1's in traction in an off-road setting.

Now you mentioned the 3200 felt like it was gonna flip. I have to question this (and have before and you never answered). How were you hitched with each tractor? And did you have the loader on for both attempts to pull?

Cause the reason that I ask is cause I regularly pull with the 3PH. And raised all the way to lift the butt end of the log. No way I would do this with the loader off as it would flip for sure. But with the loader on, I have yet to even come close to flipping. Even on logs too big to pull. (And I am not recommending you try either. Not good practice to pull from the 3PH)

 

[chuck172]

How would ag tires out pull industrial tires on hard dry shale? I think on these conditions I'd rather have a wider tire stance with more rubber meeting the ground.
I was just using the loader and chain to pull logs, like I said I only put on 5 hrs. on the kubota and that was enough for me to get my $ back.
Don't discount industrial tires, I have an old ford 4500 tlb and it pulls great. Plenty of weight in the right places on that machine. I also have an 8n with ag tires, and it pulls like a mule. Try the Kioti CK35, LD1 and then tell me which machine you feel is more capable.

 

[s219]

I think Kubota deserves all the crap it can get for the three point system, so I have no problem with that. If they want less drama, they should ship a better three point hitch and be done with it, but they've let the problem persist for many years and through model upgrades. So I say flame away at them for that. The hitch is not a problem for my usage at all, but if Chuck didn't like it, he was right (and lucky) to get his money back.

The CK is certainly a heavier tractor, but I take exception to the issue skidding logs with the L3200. I do it all the time. Most recent was a big oak, 12' and 16' sections. I lift the butt of the log with a choker chain attached to a skid plate on the three point hitch, and drag them out of the woods (muddy logging trails), down my access trail (#3 gravel) and then on my driveway (crusher run). Never had a single issue. I also skidded smaller logs with my previous B2920 and never had issues with that.

I've seen my neighbor have issues skidding even small pines with his (heavy for its size) Mahindra, but it was because he was doing it all wrong -- either dragging the but on the log and the log was hanging up, or pulling with his front loader from up high. I think technique goes a long way when skidding logs. That's why I think many people are skeptical about issues described here when skidding logs with the L3200 in this thread. Based on my experience, it would have to be a giant log, or be done really poorly, to cause problems on an L3200 with loaded ag tires.

It's almost irrelevant what other tractor we'd compare to. An L3200 with loaded tires should be very capable of skidding some good sized logs. And any tractor can do a wheelie if you skid logs the wrong way and the logs hang up, or tip over if pulling from a high point. There have been many stories about that on these forums in fact. If you're popping wheelies or tipping over, you're doing it wrong, period, regardless of what tractor is being used.

 

[chuck172]

I don't disagree that properly rigged, an L3200 can pull logs. Like I said, I only had mine for 5 hrs.
I had my 8n for over 30 years and it pulls great too.
I hope that others reading this thread will at least try out a Kioti before jumping up to a Kobuta like I originally did. I made a mistake the first time. No-one should have to settle for a jerky 3pt.
Kubota should step up to the plate, admit there is a problem and fix it.

 

[k0ua]

The first reports here on the new 2014 model that replaced the L3200 the L3301 are that the 3pt is smooth now. Time will tell, but so far so good.