Who builds Cabela's brand tractors?

[TSO]

ok. Let me clarify my thought process a little bit. There are many parts that you can fix or repair on a foreign tractor if the fail and you can no longer get parts for with a little fabrication. Such as the, hydraulic system , controls, FEL's , you could have adapters made to run different rims if they were a strange bolt patern only used on a foreign productions. The one thing I realized is that the engine is the only part that would be almost impossible to replace if said tractor company went out of business. There is a set bolt patern on the bell housing. There is only one engine that is going to bolt up. While I realize There are companies out there that could machine adapters on a CNC machine to addapt a completely different motor to a foreign transmission the cost would be enormous. So to me weather the engine was made in Korea or China it wouldn't matter. The tractor manufacturer or the engine manufactuer could go bankrupt. Leaving you with no way to get parts or a replacement engine.
Secondly a foreign engine no matter where it was made wouldn't have a history of performance and reliability. Wich would affect the resale value. Like the Bellaruse tractors or nortrack tractors. I have seen people selling well running tractors at an almost give away price. Like For instance I saw a 60 H.P. Belarus tractor with 1400 hours the owner was asking 6 grand. It took him more than a year to sell it and he only got 3500 for it.
Now if you had a John deere engine, or a Cat engine or a Kubota engine in that foreign tractor. People would feel a little more at ease with buying a foreign tractor because they are known for reliable motors there is a sales and service network out there for the motors and parts are readily available. So it would put the buyer at ease.
For instance MTM. Is made in Korea But my engine is the Cat 2.2 / Perkins 404d. When I was comparing tractors. I could search the history of that motor. I found the problems that they had had and they had been corrected by Cat standing by their product and putting brand new replacement engines into machines that had problems. They had a standing T.S.B. to warranty with replacement engines until 2012.
The cause was faulty manufacturing and machine work at the factory where they were having the motors built. Odly enough the factory was in China. Lol. Anyways despite all the info that is available on the Lawsuit Cat had filed the point I am making is. If you don't know know the reputation of your engine maker it doesn't matter where it is made. It could be made at the North pole in Santas work shop and it wouldn't matter

Are you serious?

Most JD diesels are Japanese Yanmar's.... there's a foreign engine. Kubota, foreign made, world class. Iseki, Japanese, world class. Mitsubishi, world class ... LS (S Korea) builds licensed Mitsu, no problem getting replacement engines for any of them. Daedong (S Korea) has built engines for a long time, they're not going out of business. Shibaura (Japan) has built motors for NH, case, now LS, Massey, Hustler, Ford, etc...

Besides the nameplate, I doubt the "Cat-Perkins" labeled engine is any better, or any easier to get most parts for, than the ones I listed above.

 

[buickanddeere]

All well and good but in 10yrs time. Compare the trade in price and parts availability of the Cabella tractor and equipment. To a 10yr old John Deere.
Saving a couple of grand up front is going to cost you into the five figures in the long run.

 

[94BULLITT]

All well and good but in 10yrs time. Compare the trade in price and parts availability of the Cabella tractor and equipment. To a 10yr old John Deere.
Saving a couple of grand up front is going to cost you into the five figures in the long run.

Then factor in the dealer network, parts availability, and fuel consumption.

 

[farmstart]

Are you serious?

Most JD diesels are Japanese Yanmar's.... there's a foreign engine. Kubota, foreign made, world class. Iseki, Japanese, world class. Mitsubishi, world class ... LS (S Korea) builds licensed Mitsu, no problem getting replacement engines for any of them. Daedong (S Korea) has built engines for a long time, they're not going out of business. Shibaura (Japan) has built motors for NH, case, now LS, Massey, Hustler, Ford, etc...

Besides the nameplate, I doubt the "Cat-Perkins" labeled engine is any better, or any easier to get most parts for, than the ones I listed above.

Yes I agree. If you check my last post I had stated Kubota as a quality diesel engine along with Cat and Johndeer as having a great reputation. Yanmar has made great diesel engines They have a great reputation in the Marine industry as well.
I'm not the only person on here who has stated foreign machines that are fairly new that don't have a proper parts and reliable dealer network would effect the sales and resales of foreign tractors they posted the same opinion right after my last post. So cut me some slack will ya?? LS was a tractor I was looking at but the closest dealer was 4.5 hours away ontop of that I would prefer a known diesel engine that I can get help from friends or equipment mechanichs in my area without having to bother my dealer.
And finally If I choose to sell my machine and tell an interested prospect that I am selling a TYM they will most likely be scratching their head its not as well known as Kubota or John deer.
But if I tell him it has A Cat diesel engine in it Now I have his attention because its a brand he is familiar with or if a novice, a brand he has atleast heard of
I live in the middle of Farm country and work with people who grew up on Farms and still work the farms with their famlies or Own their own farms and that's what they do for a living. And most guys I talk to have never heard of TYM tractors. And that's a lot of people I have talked to who run tractors all the time.
N now drive 60 miles and I know people using them for logging operations and firewood.
I also know a guy that was selling Belarus tractors and he can't even parts for them anymore

 

[DarkBlack]

I can't say that all of them are but I could comfortably say 90% of them. They are industrial engines used in a lot of different types of equipment. In the 40 horse range they would be used in small skidsteers and mini excavators. Water pumps generators mobile air compressors. Its nothing to wory about. Really unless you are looking to get more than 7000 hours out of your machine. Then when it comes time to rebuild you just need to pull the motor and do the machine work. Just means you need to trailer your machine to a mechanic its just boils down to convienience I guess.
The reason I didn't buy some other machines was because of the chinese diadong diesels run in some of them. Like Kioti. Heard a lot of good things about them. But my friend who I mentioned above his is broke all the time its a 55 hp machine It sit in his yard for the most part because he doesn't have the time to loose in the field. For the record his machine only has 3000 hours on it but I believe it was 12 years old when they were a realitivly new brand and machine.

So you would replace a single cylinder sleeve at 7,000 hours, and that's a valid reason not to buy a certain brand?
Why do you post so much novice opinion? There's a lot of experience on this site to read... if you want to learn.

 

[farmstart]

So you would replace a single cylinder sleeve at 7,000 hours, and that's a valid reason not to buy a certain brand?
Why do you post so much novice opinion? There's a lot of experience on this site to read... if you want to learn.

I never said I would I said you could. What do we all live in literal ville here?? If the motor is down for what ever reason and you only x amount of funds you do what you have to do to get your machine running. Yes your not doing what you should to be cost effective for the future it would be smart to rebuild the entire motor.
Its just like a car. If you blow a head gasket and you go to replace it while your in there you might as well do the timing chain/belt but a lot of people opt to Just replace the gasket. Sometimes they opt to only fix one bank on a V6 that is leaking. Again. Not bright but if you only have x amount of funds what do you do?? If you don't like something I say read it again and see if you can apply logic or think of a scenario where there might not be another option before you ask a stupid question.. In a perfect world everything would be do e right the first time. The world isn't always perfect.

 

[buickanddeere]

I never said I would I said you could. What do we all live in literal ville here?? If the motor is down for what ever reason and you only x amount of funds you do what you have to do to get your machine running. Yes your not doing what you should to be cost effective for the future it would be smart to rebuild the entire motor.
Its just like a car. If you blow a head gasket and you go to replace it while your in there you might as well do the timing chain/belt but a lot of people opt to Just replace the gasket. Sometimes they opt to only fix one bank on a V6 that is leaking. Again. Not bright but if you only have x amount of funds what do you do?? If you don't like something I say read it again and see if you can apply logic or think of a scenario where there might not be another option before you ask a stupid question.. In a perfect world everything would be do e right the first time. The world isn't always perfect.

They don't have funds because they have always taken short cuts. It's too late to drain the swamp when you are up to your butt in alligators.

 

[Arc weld]

Sleeve or sleeveless isn't what makes or breaks whether an engine is good or not. Ford never had sleeves in their tractors and they claimed it was cheaper to rebuild than a sleeved engine. Considering most engines can be re-bored up to 4 times, that could equate to well over 40,000 hours. Regular maintenance and proper use is far more important to long engine life.

 

[94BULLITT]

Sleeve or sleeveless isn't what makes or breaks whether an engine is good or not. Ford never had sleeves in their tractors and they claimed it was cheaper to rebuild than a sleeved engine. Considering most engines can be re-bored up to 4 times, that could equate to well over 40,000 hours. Regular maintenance and proper use is far more important to long engine life.

Ford used sleeves.

 

[Arc weld]

I was at a seminar in the 80's put on by a Ford dealer and that's where they said most Ford tractor engines don't use sleeves and it's cheaper to rebuild than a sleeved engine. What engines are you talking about?