So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[cqaigy2]

If you can invent a practical mass storage of 60 hz AC, then you will be in history books and very rich.
Storing of DC is nothing new. It still has to be converted with losses etc...

It will only be practical when it's affordable. There really aren't many things that are "new" but if one improves on these things then that becomes "new"

 

[Loren49]

Load balancing (electrical power) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

REstore: Balancing Europe
But Europe has a different grid balancing challenge, and that’s keeping its massive share of intermittent wind and solar power in balance. That power can ebb and surge with the weather. Europe gets about 10 percent of its overall power from wind and solar, compared to about 2 percent in the U.S., and some European cities or regions are breaking the 50-percent mark.

REstore wants to help solve that problem through technology that can analyze, predict and adjust power-using devices to balance out those minute-by-minute or hour-by-hour fluctuations.

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy10osti/45653.pdf

Loren

 

[Ken]

So this is where it gets interesting.... You can have along drawn out debate about Fukashima, but in the end it was this old design plant. 50 year old architecture when it should have been 10 year old architecture. This is where I feel the greatest disconnect is.

Take a look at this Greenpeace article

Yes, things are very bad at Fukushima but it

So moving on from Fukashima, the question is asked how many people have died from Nuclear Reactor Meltdowns. Roughly 47 - Russian, in the US none. How many have died from exposure via cancer, 4,000 on the very highest end. OK, not great, actually kinda scary. But then the question comes how many people have died from Coal. In the US roughly 100,000 have died directly from mining coal since the 1920's. How many have died from black lung or other coal related illness? A milllion? Do we want to look at greenhouse gasses, global warming, and all the other ways coal effects all of us?

Look, I am a greenie, a liberal, but Solar and wind manufacturing isn't a very clean process and it is terribly inneficient. Nuke can be quite safe, but, IMO, the oil and gas companies have spent a lot of time and money keeping nukes from modernizing, while demonizing the industry. People are scared, and lots of people are making a lot of money keeping people scared.

It would be a quick and easy way to get rid of all the pollution of generating electricity. Just shut down the plants. no coal No oil, No building of dams to generate power from water.

The Greenie's would be happy and the rest of the world would in time to adjust. Out law the stinking horses to haul what ever needs to be hauled. Just go back to the way it used to be. And these computers could be used to build seats inside of where ever natural caves are.

Would you in driving a all elec. car be willing to plug into a parking meter and feed coins into a recharge station or would you sneak around back of someone's building and plug in for some one else to pay for the recharge.

Even better since the volcanos don't pollute the world. build a channel to flow the liquid molten rock into a ocean and collect the super heated steam feed into a generator plant and build land mass of design instead where ever the rock is being tossed . the water vapor then could be used to provide water to grow the weed to build left handed cig's.
The best of both worlds.
All building is not with intent of the rich getting richer.

 

[3930dave]

I'm occasionally impressed by an individual who has the guts to Zig, while everybody else is Zagging....

All Our Patent Are Belong To You | Blog | Tesla Motors

.... Whether or not you like Musk/Tesla, you gotta admit.... the guy's got a big pair of... um.... "bookends".

Rgds, D.


June 12, 2014
All Our Patent Are Belong To You
By Elon Musk, CEO
TAGS: Customers / Model S /
155 comments

Yesterday, there was a wall of Tesla patents in the lobby of our Palo Alto headquarters. That is no longer the case. They have been removed, in the spirit of the open source movement, for the advancement of electric vehicle technology.

Tesla Motors was created to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport. If we clear a path to the creation of compelling electric vehicles, but then lay intellectual property landmines behind us to inhibit others, we are acting in a manner contrary to that goal. Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology.

When I started out with my first company, Zip2, I thought patents were a good thing and worked hard to obtain them. And maybe they were good long ago, but too often these days they serve merely to stifle progress, entrench the positions of giant corporations and enrich those in the legal profession, rather than the actual inventors. After Zip2, when I realized that receiving a patent really just meant that you bought a lottery ticket to a lawsuit, I avoided them whenever possible.

At Tesla, however, we felt compelled to create patents out of concern that the big car companies would copy our technology and then use their massive manufacturing, sales and marketing power to overwhelm Tesla. We couldn't have been more wrong. The unfortunate reality is the opposite: electric car programs (or programs for any vehicle that doesn't burn hydrocarbons) at the major manufacturers are small to non-existent, constituting an average of far less than 1% of their total vehicle sales.

At best, the large automakers are producing electric cars with limited range in limited volume. Some produce no zero emission cars at all.

Given that annual new vehicle production is approaching 100 million per year and the global fleet is approximately 2 billion cars, it is impossible for Tesla to build electric cars fast enough to address the carbon crisis. By the same token, it means the market is enormous. Our true competition is not the small trickle of non-Tesla electric cars being produced, but rather the enormous flood of gasoline cars pouring out of the world's factories every day.

We believe that Tesla, other companies making electric cars, and the world would all benefit from a common, rapidly-evolving technology platform.

Technology leadership is not defined by patents, which history has repeatedly shown to be small protection indeed against a determined competitor, but rather by the ability of a company to attract and motivate the world's most talented engineers. We believe that applying the open source philosophy to our patents will strengthen rather than diminish Tesla's position in this regard.

 

[DarkBlack]

You read that company PR through rose colored glasses.
As I read it, I read statements from a company trying to make a profit, like all other companies, slanting views, and posting PR to make themselves look good.

 

[buickanddeere]

I can't believe that someone here things the world is flat! The sun goes down. Yes when the sun goes down, it's night for the whole planet at once. Thanks for the laugh.

I'm laughing because some non technical liberal dreamer thinks that a world wide power grid of 4954 BILLION Kw hr is possible. Where are you getting all the aluminum and copper?

 

[Loren49]

You read that company PR through rose colored glasses.
As I read it, I read statements from a company trying to make a profit, like all other companies, slanting views, and posting PR to make themselves look good.

And how do you suppose that releasing their patents to all will increase their profits.

I feel that the cup may be half full. There are people who look at the over all good when making decisions.

Loren

 

[Redneck in training]

If you can invent a practical mass storage of 60 hz AC, then you will be in history books and very rich.
Storing of DC is nothing new. It still has to be converted with losses etc...

I think it is quite easy. You just have to store the pluses and minuse separately and relase them in alternating patern when you need them.

 

[DarkBlack]

And how do you suppose that releasing their patents to all will increase their profits.

I feel that the cup may be half full. There are people who look at the over all good when making decisions.

Loren

You got to be kiddin' me.

Anyone with even the most scant sense of observation, has seen that battery car makers are hurting most, because of a lack of charging stations, and general acceptance and enthusiasm. Tesla knows they need help from battery car competators to help build a charging network, to help them sell more cars and make more money.

Did you even read their own final sentence?
" We believe that applying the open source philosophy to our patents will strengthen rather than diminish Tesla’s position in this regard.":vomit:

 

[ultrarunner]

Everywhere I look I see electric cars... the parking lot at work has two Teslas, a couple of Leafs and many Prius plus hybrids from Toyota and Honda...

Guess the SF Bay Area is ground zero for electrics.

Not only do owners get free charging stations and preferential parking... they also get to use the Car Pool Lane with a single occupant...