all in one attachment? is it possible?

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3pt hitch rear blade as the basic unit... and building up from there...

TNT (top n tilt) for 3pt hitch, to help feather out blade cutting and angling.

offset = ability to swing blade off to one side.
----hey i have this small size tractor (SCUT / maybe even a CUT), and the width of the unit vs implement i want to use, just don't match up. the implement ends up not as wide as the tractor... i need some help here?

adjust angling more than 3pt hitch allows = digging ditches better

abilty to swing blade around 360 degrees for going forward and dragging stuff, or swinging blade backwards to go in reverse to push stuff
---box blades, they have a front blade, and then some have a rear blade, and then a rear blade that swings up some when going forward.
is there a way to double blade a generic 3pt hitch rear blade?

side wings = like a box blade sides, that attach to edges of a rear blade. to help move dirt/rock, without the dirt/rock falling out the edges of the rear blade.
---is it possible to adjust the side wings angle of attack, so when ya dragging the rear blade at an angle to move dirt or rock from one side to the other side, say making a crown on a drive way?
---is it possible to adjust side wings so there are perpendicular (90 degrees) to the cutting edge of the rear blade, and then adjust them so they are parrallel to the cutting edge, in essence making a 4 foot blade into say a 5 foot 6 foot width blade? might be nice for a little bit of snow on ground, vs large amounts of snow. or doing a little extra width of smoothing out very top 1/2" to 1" of dirt in the yard... (wider blade = less down ward pressure)
---is it possible to flip these wings all the way back, behind the rear blade or something, so when ya don't need them they are pin to the rear blade, but when ya do need them. pull them off a holder and attach to the sides of the rear blade?

sacrificer teeth / rippers on a box blade = you can adjust up and down or completely remove if wanted. used to break up hard compacted dirt / gravel driveway. and then once ripped up using rear blade or box blade or other attachment. to smoothing things out... some of them have a shear bolt. so when ya catch a tree root or pavement or something, the bolt shears away, letting the ripper spin backwards and up and out of the way, vs doing damage to something.
---is it possible to add these rippers to back side of the rear blade? say one side is cutting edge, then spin blade around 180, and drop the teeth? or simply drop the teeth down from the backside of the blade?
---would the be better served in front of the rear blade? so the teeth / rippers break stuff up, and then the rear blade can smooth and shift the dirt around to some degree?

motor grader = a large distance between rear gauge wheels and rear tractor wheels. the long distance allows for removing the bigger dips in dirt lanes / gravel driveways.
---is it possible to undo a few bolts, slip in a longer piece between connection to 3pt hitch, and part of rear blade that allows it to spin and adjust angles... and then add some gauge wheels that stick further back behind the rear blade as in a few plus feet?
---is it possible to say use a regular bumper trailer, or a bumper pull behind sprayer, as the rear gauge wheels? easy adjustable tongue weight (add your own weight) on trailer, for extra weight on the blade, a pull behind sprayer = easy adjustable weight as well just add water. would something like a cheap generic version of a "weight distribution hitch" for bumper pull trailers and like work?

potatoe plow / subsoiler / single large ripper
---can i detach rear blade and insert a subsoiler? or use the middle ripper as in box blade rippers. and install a larger ripper?

york rake = kinda like a long handle manual garden rake but for a tractor...
is it possible to to swap out rear blade, for a set of tines?

dirt scoop = think FEL (front end loader bucket) but for 3pt hitch.
---is it possible to slide on a bottom to turn the rear blade with wings, into a dirt scoop? not real happy moving some dirt from one side of yard across driveway and onto other side. might be nice to move dirt in along trails. or remove dirt without dragging the dirt every were behind you like a box blade.
--- beside FEL (front end loader) bucket/s, backhoe bucket, and a 3pt hitch dirt scoop, there really is nothing else out there to dig into lift the material up so its no dragging all over the place... FEL's cost a pretty penny, not everyone has a FEL on there tractor...let alone a backhoe...
--- err i take above back, i want to say roll over box blade. but that technical name most likely wrong.

gauge wheels or shoes or feet = keeping blade up off a paved driveway or concrete without scratching it up or catching cracks
---beyond the motor grader idea above, just a simple set of guage wheels or like that set on the back side of the rear blade?

single gang disc harrow
---might be nice, have some ugly hills and ditchs i really can't drive up or down them and only along the side of them. might be nice to set the offset clear out. and drop the disc. to stir up the couple inches of soil, toss some grass seed down, then run back over with disc harrow, to get the seeds a little bit below the dirt.

drag harrow (think chain link fence)
---i get in trouble running over larger areas of yard, that does not include immediate area that i am trying to smooth and clear the large clumps out of.... can i toss a couple chains or perhaps bolt or pin, the front part of the drag harrow to the rear blade some how. and have a little extension off back, so when 3pt hitch raises up. it raises entire drag harrow / chain link fence up off the ground?
--- it might be nice to be able to angle the blade. so instead of having say a 6 foot wide drag harrow, after angling the rear blade it turns it into 4 foot.

adding extra weight....
---box blades tend to have more of a "shelf" on top of them to add concrete blocks, or a log across the top of it. even discs have some what of an arrow to add some extra weight.
---is there a way to add water? say, plug up all the ends of metal tubes/pipes that make this up, and weld in some bushings were holes for bolts or pins that may need to go through. and then weld on a garden hose adapter (one spot low to drain, one spot high to fill / allow air to escape).
---is there a metal pipe or rod. i could drop some concrete blocks over?
---is there a receiving hitch in the back, so i could slip in a hitch for some sort of carrier for a regular pickup truck, but add some weight that way?

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nickle and dimed. vs quick hitch setups....
i pay for basic 3pt hitch connection, and a basic implement attached to connection points (rear blade, box blade, rake, etc...)
--- is it possible to have a "multi tool" style tool bar. that accepts generic doings? with minimal extra fuss? it may not be quick attach, but a few hundred bucks here and there for basic cheap implement, vs spending that hundred bucks, for say offset ability, multi angling ability. and can be re-purposed fairly easily, (undo some bolts / pins) and ready to go with next thing... *shrugs* i guess get a more expensive multi tool, that can be used on a wider variety of basic implements....
--- if i could buy some hyd cylinders... for just one multi tool. (hyd to raise/lower gauge wheels, angle everything like wanted... i could pull off rear blade for a york rake, and still have all my hyd cylinders to do all the fine tuning on the go. or adjust cultipaker, or disk harrow, or what not... ya it takes a little longer to change things out, but how much extra time would be saved, with the extra hydraulic cylinders that you could adjust everything on the fly? or perhaps some cash saved on basic multi tool without the hyd cylinders.

can i buy some "farm jacks" instead of hyd cylinders to use to adjust things? *ok that is far out there*

adding extra rear remotes to back of tractor....
---can i use a PTO hyd pump or like, and some electrical over hyd valves. on this multi tool, and then run what amounts to a corded remote control box up to the tractor seat? that has some dip switches on it?
--- perhaps only needing a standard rear remote on rear of tractor, with valve lever with detent position or bungie cord valve to on, and setting the extra electronic over hyd valves on the unit itself?
 
   / all in one attachment? is it possible?
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Everything Attachments XTreme Duty 6 way Tractor Scrape Blade
---side wings to turn rear blade into kinda of a box blade,
---offset blade, to toss blade clear out to one side
below image is from...Everything Attachments XTreme Duty 6 way Tractor Scrape Blade
ETA-XD-SBLADE-5T.jpg
see above link for extra pictures / videos

motor grader, errr bumper pull trailer with rear blade.
http://roadgradingschool.com/files/ROAD_GRADING_SCHOOL.pdf
below image is from...Trail'grader-The Portable Road Grader
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below image is from...Trail'grader-The Portable Road Grader
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below image is from...Trail'grader-The Portable Road Grader
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see image from, for text that goes along with the diagrams/pictures.

some pictures of old and new motor garders / to pull behind graders
below image is from... http://honorsun.en.alibaba.com/prod...trailer_fixed_on_tractor_or_wheel_loader.html
mini_haul_motor_grader_trailer_fixed_on.jpg
below image is from...http://www.russianscalemodels.com/news.php?id=1100
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below image is from...http://www.russianscalemodels.com/news.php?id=1100
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below image is from... http://www.catmodels.com/products/K...oy-trailer-and-Cat-140-Motor-Grader-load.html
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rear blade with possibly extending rear gauge wheel further back?
below image is from... http://www.landpride.com/products/128/rbt60-series-rear-blades
rbt60_main.jpg

single gang disc harrow (flip over) if a bumper pull hitch could be used for attachment point...
below image is from...http://www.everythingattachments.com/King-Kutter-Flip-Over-Disc-p/kk-flip-over-disc.htm
KK-Flip-Over-Disc-2T.jpg

cultipacker (for 4 wheeler) if a bumper pull hitch could be used for attachment point...
below image is from....https://www.kingkutter.com/store-product.aspx?id=3535
KP-48-ATV.jpg

pull behind box scraper, can the wheels be extended further back for a motor grader effect?
below image is from...http://www.fastline.com/v100/2011-S...ail-42f67da7-a638-4cb0-b1a5-77e904c9a58a.aspx
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Hard to have a multi purpose tool do any one job as well as a single purpose designed one. Doubtless, you could do all the things you mention given the design talent, mechanical capability, funds and time. It might meet your needs.... as a commercial venture, I doubt that people would be interested in it's complexity and flexibility. People generally want to keep things simple. This idea lets you hook up a 3pt implement once, then reconfigure, manually to meet the task at hand, lifting heavy components, redoing bolts, etc.....doing so likely would take more time than unhooking and reattaching a 3 pt implement. Just my thoughts.
 
   / all in one attachment? is it possible? #4  
Buy the right implements for each job, get a 3pt quick hitch and have all implements compatible. Done, no reason to reinvent the wheel. :rolleyes:
 
   / all in one attachment? is it possible? #5  
Just remember that if you are going with a 3 pt, don't forget about ft-lbs. Farther it is from the lifting arms hookup sockets, the more the weight affects tractor handling, aka front tires off the ground or too light to be safe to control. 1# 10' out =10# 1' out sort of thing.

Quite a list of ideas. Your box blade comment will solve several of them that the plain blade won't. Other thing on operating a blade, like is used on commercial 6 wheel maintainers, is that the lateral forces on the blade at high angles especially, will work hard on your front end's ability to maintain steerability. The lighter the tractor and heaver the aggrigate against the blade, the worse is the effect. Adding weights out front will go a long way in mitigating these undesirable effects. I have made a skeleton frame attached to the front of the tractor and filled it with concrete (not cinder) blocks effectively. Cheap counter balance.

Mark
 
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Would you like your only tool to be a Swiss Army knife? :)

It can do many things, but none of them well.

Swiss Army knife

Bruce
 
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to lazy to copy past pictures and give references to each picture... so just giving links..
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ating-rock-rake-post2720950.html?#post2720950
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ll-type-scraper-post1349272.html?#post1349272
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...r-dirt-pan-towed-post3131619.html#post3131619
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...r-dirt-pan-towed-post3132070.html#post3132070
DR Power Grader
http://www.liveoutdoors.com/motorsports/109699-atv-accessories/

ok what the heck?!?!?
http://www.abiattachments.com/infield-groomer/infield-rascal-mvp/

metal matress spring
http://youtuberepeat.org/?videoId=Np0ku2r8GqI

home made hot water heater scrapper
http://youtuberepeat.org/?videoId=P9VDrGVOIlI

home made drag grader
http://youtuberepeat.org/?videoId=l3xfRwXBD4U

Yard Tuff Landscape Drag
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200418177_200418177

old rear tractor tire as a grader, then a couple other manufactured graders
http://gardentractortalk.com/forums...roomer-pics-or-build-plans/page-2#entry152011

flip over 3pt hitch box blade
http://gardentractortalk.com/forums...roomer-pics-or-build-plans/page-2#entry152176


driveway grader-groomer (looks to have an engine on it.
http://www.infield-drag.com/Driveways-Yards/driveways-yards.htm

land plane / grader different style yet
http://www.countrymanufacturing.com/land_plane.htm


2nd to 3rd post down diy grader L shape angle iron
http://www.michaelstractors.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5076

grooomer driveway
https://www.drivewaygroomer.com/Driveway-Groomers/

Jack Sawyer built pull-type 途oad grader hyd lift.
super duty width / length!
http://www.schowauction.com/101110.html

wagon running gear (other words a hay wagon, but without the actual lumber for a deck on it.
more intrested in how most running gear of this type you can adjust length between front and rear wheels, ((done before deck is put on))
http://www.americanlisted.com/kentu...on_running_gear_550_harrodsburg_15675939.html
http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=implment&th=221939
http://shop.woodwardcrossingscountr...unning-Gears-w-60-w-570-8-4-Ply-Tires-260.htm
https://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machine/2244137
http://www.americanlisted.com/kentu...on_running_gear_450_harrodsburg_15678601.html

6 wheel running gear, 4 tires in rear, 1 set of turning tires in front...hhmsss
http://www.knowlesmfgco.com/products/tandems/tandems.htm
http://www.iowafarmequipment.com/horst_6wheel_rungear.html

extension for turning a 3pt hitch rear blade, into more of a "motor grader" were wheels are far spaced apart form the blade itself...
Small LogRite arch (dolly to lift logs up some, and drag them out of woods or onto a trailer)
http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/moving-logs.103727/

**** ya, gauge wheel per say, fits between bumper hitch, and ball that goes to trailer, helps deal with extra loading i guess.
http://mrtrailer.com/hellya.htm

a few different builds / pictures of "extension hitches" to stick a bumper pull ball further out behind a truck. (possibly to jack knife a trailer into a tight fitting spot inside a garage? to other???
long initial page scroll down for a variety of pictures.
http://forums.woodalls.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/17969841/print/true.cfm
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/22234028/print/true.cfm

multi scrapper pan doings including some DIY
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/266836-diy-home-built-scraper-pan.html

grade master land plane scraper grader,,, looks like 1 blade, and a drag chain harow behind it.
a way to lift and lower drag chain harrow, has my intrest
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...veling-implement-post2314929.html#post2314929

home made ripper tooth
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/191377-homemade-bx25-ripper-tooth.html

rachet rakes (straps and tooth bar for FEL bucket) to snow blode edge, to
http://www.ratchetrake.com/

DIY Lightweight log dolly, welded with 120volt MIG
post 1 and 5 for pictures
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/welding/315789-lightweight-log-dolly-welded-120volt.html

Inderesting rear blade attachment for "gradering"
metal bar out behind 3pt hitch grader blade
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...eresting-rear-blade-attachment-gradering.html

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not searching for....extenda hoe (dipper stick on backhoe extends out 1 to 3 feet longer)

need to look at more pull behind and 3pt hitch "scoop pans"

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thoughts of using rear backhoe, pulling off bucket, and dipper stick.. so just the boom & cylinder for it, along with swing clinders (left and right motion) and levers stay. and redo a minture dipper stick for attachment to rear blades, box blades, etc...

my scratch and dents, drawings trying to figure something out.
scratch pad 1.png
 
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Hard to have a multi purpose tool do any one job as well as a single purpose designed one. Doubtless, you could do all the things you mention given the design talent, mechanical capability, funds and time. It might meet your needs.... as a commercial venture, I doubt that people would be interested in it's complexity and flexibility. People generally want to keep things simple. This idea lets you hook up a 3pt implement once, then reconfigure, manually to meet the task at hand, lifting heavy components, redoing bolts, etc.....doing so likely would take more time than unhooking and reattaching a 3 pt implement. Just my thoughts.
took your statement to heart

Buy the right implements for each job, get a 3pt quick hitch and have all implements compatible. Done, no reason to reinvent the wheel. :rolleyes:
not a fan of quick hitch to some degree just not all there, just to basic.

Just remember that if you are going with a 3 pt, don't forget about ft-lbs. Farther it is from the lifting arms hookup sockets, the more the weight affects tractor handling, aka front tires off the ground or too light to be safe to control. 1# 10' out =10# 1' out sort of thing.

Quite a list of ideas. Your box blade comment will solve several of them that the plain blade won't. Other thing on operating a blade, like is used on commercial 6 wheel maintainers, is that the lateral forces on the blade at high angles especially, will work hard on your front end's ability to maintain steerability. The lighter the tractor and heaver the aggrigate against the blade, the worse is the effect. Adding weights out front will go a long way in mitigating these undesirable effects. I have made a skeleton frame attached to the front of the tractor and filled it with concrete (not cinder) blocks effectively. Cheap counter balance.

Mark

*cringes* ya i know ballast stinks. and there are limits to things...

looking at a few more things, it might be easier to start at a 3pt hitch scoop pan, and then working my way back, to a box blade, then to a rear blade.

Would you like your only tool to be a Swiss Army knife? :)

It can do many things, but none of them well.

Swiss Army knife

Bruce
*laughing hard*
 
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the kid in me... sega, nes, playstation, the old gaming consoles, and more so the gaming pads, more specifically, the D button, (up arrow, down arrow, left, right) and then on new game pads. more of a minture joystick you operate with thumb for left,right,up,down, and then able to press down the bottom to do an action in the game. other words a miniture joystick, with a button on top.

how to get multi degrees of rotation and angling of a 3pt hitch rear blade.... from tilting angle left to right so dirt/snow goes off to one side... to tilt up / down to say dig a ditch or put a crown on driveway, to tilting the blade cutting edge itself for different aggressiveness of how much it cut down into the dirt/gravel. along with "offset" option. to swing blade out to one side.

a backhoe (remove bucket, and dipper) and ya have something there. but the boom is rather heavy and long, and doesn't really short up, and lots of extra weight behind the tractor.

i remember looking at various hyd motors, that used internal small size pistons, to convert hyd fluid coming form a pump, into rotation. i think one of them hyd motors might work out nicely, and doing a little bit of change with some ring valve plates, and maybe a worm gear. for final result, of 2 hoses (one pressure from pump, one to return to tank), 3 smallish solenoid valves, or 3 smallish electrical motors. vs 3 to 5 hyd cylinders, and 2 hoses and a valve for each cylinder. hmmsss wonder how much a motor torque / ft lbs a hyd motor creates at each piston, (been a while)
 
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Ryan, as much worrying you are doing about this, it won't be long before you are cutting, drilling, welding, bolting stuff together. Don't forget photos!
 
 

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