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   / Everlast plasma? #121  
Even though I have nothing more than a little Lincoln wire welder, I found myself reading this whole thread. What drama! Did Yomax ever contact Jim? How come Mark has disappeared? So much adventure, along with some real info. As for mil-spec, I certainly appreciate it when I have it. I bought, for $10 at an industrial surplus warehouse when I lived in NY state, a beautifully made 110v cooling fan; powerful, couldn't have been better. Made in the Hudson Valley of NY. It needed a capacitor to run. I happened to live close by the manuf., so I called and spoke with the engineering dept. They asked where I had gotten it, since it was way overkill for my use (solar heating system blower), and told me that the US Army had paid $400 each for them, for cooling in M1A tanks. I thought it was curious that the tanks had 110v AC. That fan will easily outlast me.
 
   / Everlast plasma? #122  
We all need a little excitement on a day to day basis...these threads are a good place to actually learn something....while the banter keeps us coming back. I have not heard from Yomax, maybe he traded in the plasma, or sold it or scrapped it.

Jim Colt
 
   / Everlast plasma? #123  
We all need a little excitement on a day to day basis...these threads are a good place to actually learn something....while the banter keeps us coming back. I have not heard from Yomax, maybe he traded in the plasma, or sold it or scrapped it.

Jim Colt

If he's interested in selling it, I'm always interested in quality equipment. I'll ship it off to Jim Colt for repair, and be ahead of the game!
 
   / Everlast plasma? #125  
No. I am still here. I just don't find it profitable to respond to every off topic jab or snipe remark especially when I've covered it before. I will answer BlackNTan's queries, though on the basis that he and others still are trying to reinforce a misnomer about the quality of our internal components and cast doubt in peoples minds. But I think it's time to start laying some things out in BlackNWhite. And since it's germaine to the OP, I think it's warranted.

I'll start with the IGBT components. IGBT Modules are made by Infineon (old Siemens/Phillips Corp) or IR (International Rectifier). Individual IGBT chips are made by Infineon or Fairchild, both well known companies. Optoisolators are made by Sharp. Digital displays and related components are made by Intersys. Fans are made by the same supplier to Samsung, Panasonic and GE for some of their products. Recifier and diodes are made by IXYS and Microsemi. Relays are typically made by Panasonic, Tyco and Omron. Powerswitches made by Chnt or Delexi. Microprocessors are made by Infineon, Texas Instruments, and Atmel. Heavy Cermet resistors are made by Double Circle. Large Capacitors are made by Tenta (a common mfgr of capacitors). Many other suppliers that are quality, but not well known because they privately sell the same components to major manufacturers of similar equipment and are rebranded under private label part numbers. The units are run in at the factory, and we have our own people in the factory from this side of the pond observing to make sure and doing final live tests and checks. WE've posted many updates on our threads about that with continuing thread related to "pictures from the factory" so that people could be aware of the mfg process. As far as load bank testing, while it may not be 24 hour burn in, they do undergo load testing and live testing. The pictures below are units awaiting load testing and final assembly. Then there's one of the actual load testing. There's some also of the factory and workers going to the cafeteria provided at the factory...just to illustrate these aren't being put together in someone's backyard in China with a dirt floor like the image people try to paint.

As far as Mil specs...We have units that should comply...but I am not at liberty to discuss contracts we may or may not have with the US military.
I'm including a link to that thread so that people can see the progress we've made in the factories, and the type of production facilities and equipment we are using. This plant is bigger than what a few pictures can show. Is it US built and US quality? No. But with the long list of well known manufacturers with US bases and the improvements I think we are getting closer by the day. Is it what other people have tried to demonize us about? Certainly not! Some pictures from Factory
 

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   / Everlast plasma? #126  
You know Mark , You are trying to paddle upstream in trying to convince some people on this topic :thumbsup:

If I do need a new plasma , Mark Will be the one I call . At Least Everlast Admits they are made overs seas and Use Various over seas or mainland components , While Others , Well lets Say they are splitting Hairs when theirs are " Assembled " . :rolleyes:

Fred H.
 
   / Everlast plasma? #127  
If you ever get to the Eastern part of the US, NH specifically....feel free to contact me for a plant tour of 14 different plasma cutter models being built by US employees. You will see that products like this are still made in the USA using globally spec'd components. Way more than just "assembly" as 100% of the design, engineering and product support is done from these facilities as well, since 1968. You will see engineering labs, reliability labs, R&D labs, technical support staff at work talking with end users around the world, as well as state of the art manufacturing, including PC boards, wire harnessing, cable assembly....all of which are "farmed out" by many companies, final test and multi hour....full duty cycle burn ins on every product produced.

It is nice to have choices, there are many brands to look at in regards to plasma cutters. The offer of a tour is always there as we are very proud of the facilities, and the clear fact that we can produce a top notch industrial grade product line that is the worlds biggest seller, by a long shot.

Jim Colt Hypertherm



You know Mark , You are trying to paddle upstream in trying to convince some people on this topic :thumbsup:

If I do need a new plasma , Mark Will be the one I call . At Least Everlast Admits they are made overs seas and Use Various over seas or mainland components , While Others , Well lets Say they are splitting Hairs when theirs are " Assembled " . :rolleyes:

Fred H.
 
   / Everlast plasma? #128  
Jim : Did not mention You or Hypertherm , My statement was actually more Broader than just Welding / Cutting equipment . Although If I read it again , it appears to be towards welding / plasma equipment , I actually wanted it to be a more broader statement , but my spelling Sucks , thus the words I wanted to use , I could not spell , thus I had to K.I.S.S. , ( Keep it simple Stupid , ( Stupid meaning Me )) . If people would take the time to research , Sadly , so much stuff is made overseas any more , People just do not believe it or don't realize the truth . While some things may be assembled here in the U.S. , many times , components of those products are made off shore .

Usually it comes down to several factors as to " Why " . First is Economics . Unfortunately , The U.S. worker started pricing themselves out of a job back in the '60's . As they wanted more pay , price's had to go up for the products they produced , Add in that corporate America also wanted a bigger piece of the pie . Tied for first is environment standards . The Blue collar Industry of Building / Making things has took such a beating over the last 30+ years with higher and higher environmental standards that many industries moved else were to remain competitive in not only the U.S. market but the world Market .

If I needed a new plasma , My choice would most likely be a Everlast for several reasons . 1) Cost . The saying of " You get what you paid for " is old and can work against higher priced units , especially if the higher priced item suffers from any malfunction . 2) Customer service . I have watched here and on the Everlast forum site , when ever anybody posts issue's or problem with their purchase , Mark or on their site , Tech Support , Are pretty quick in getting answers to them to try and solve the problem .

Not bashing Hypertherm or anybody , Don't know anything about Hypertherm . Based upon MY economic situation , I would choose a piece Everlast equipment over others and be perfectly Fine in My choice . It would fit My Budget and more than likely out live me as We have all seen that higher priced items can go bad also , ( My Moms Maytag Washer comes to mind there , Can't remember what the warranty was , but 4 days after it ended , thing took a dump . Timer shorted out which fried the pump and motor .) .

Fred H.
 
   / Everlast plasma? #129  
Fred,

No issues, I certainly understand the market for low cost plasma cutters and welders. I bought a few of them for my home shop in my younger years when it was the only way I could afford the tool I wanted/needed! I simply want to make sure that other readers on this and other forums are aware of companies that build excellent products here in the US with workers that have excellent benefits and are paid well for a good day's work.

You can not buy US made components for every part of a Plasma cutter or Welder. Circuit board components are produced in many countries including the US, but there are hundreds of parts on a Plasma cutter power board.....and not all of them are made in the US. My company has never attempted to make our US produced plasma cutters with all US parts, rather, our policy has been (since 1968) to use the best quality components that meet our tough design specs....regardless of where they are built. We do use our facilities and our US based workforce for the labor intensive assembly and testing.....our PC boards are designed, engineered, reliability tested and built in our facilities here in Hanover and Lebanon NH......as they always have been.

It cost more to build welders and plasma cutters in the US.Period. If, however they are engineered, designed, tested and built by the same team, and all of the latest QC processes are administered by these same people.....expect top notch product coming out the door. I always mention a tour of the facility for those that happen to come to NH for business or pleasure....as it really shows a state of the art manufacturing process that is possible here in the US...producing the highest level of product and support of that product.

There actually is a good video of a tour Hypertherm's manufacturing facilities that was done by ChuckE2009 (He does independent videos regarding welding and fabricating equipment and posts them on his youtube channel) a couple years ago. (I won't post the link here as it would be considered advertising I suspect)

Jim Colt
 
   / Everlast plasma? #130  
At the risk of turning this into a policitical shout fest. I want to voice my thoughts on all this overseas manufacturing.

It has been said by many, (Fred, I aint just pointing at your statements) that American workers priced themselfs out of a job. Also it has been said that corporate want a bigger piece of the pie. I dont really agree with those types of statements. First and foremost, one must look at who is really getting that big piece of the Pie. The US has the largest corporate tax rate of any other country. 40% of all profits goes to the Government. Now thats a pretty big piece of the pie. Add to that all the EPA restriction on building new Manufactureing facilities. it isnt any wonder that companies choose to go overseas to other countries with less restrictions and lower tax rates. I know if I was starting a new business, I would try to figure out a way to reduce my cost. If you care to do the research, you will also find that the countries with the lowest corporate taxe rates also have some of the fastest growing economies with more manufacturing companies locating there. A little more research will reveal that wages are also going up in those countries. China would be one good example, even with billions of people available.

People also think cheap labor is why companies look overseas. While it is true that people in China work for pennies on the hour as compared to American workers. Wages arenot everything. Once that product is produced, it still has to make it to America before it can be sold. Freight is as big a cost as labor on many products. Order something on line and have it shipped to your house and then add the cost of freight to the final cost of your purchase. On little items, the freight can sometimes be as much as the cost of the product. If that product was built overseas, you have the hidden cost of freight , just getting it to the US, already hidden in the purchase price of the product. Companies dont really save much on labor when they choose to build overseas. What they do save on is taxes and regulations.

Corporations are not people. Corporations are owned by people, usually in the form as a stock holder. Corporations are not greedy, Stockholders are very greedy. Every business needs to make a profit. The more profit they make, the more taxes they pay, to maintain a profit margin, they must raise prices. With high prices, you have to have high wages, or there will be nobody to buy your product. People choose where and how they spend their money and everybody has their own reasons for doing so. As long as people choose to spend their money on Foreign made products, those foreign companies will flurish and American companies will continue to look for Foreign sources for the raw materials to build their products, its the only way they can keep prices low enough that the American consumer can buy them.

Sveral years ago, I was working in Doraville Ga. Generl Motors used to have a large Assembly plant there. at the time, GM had laid off a large part of their workforce because they couldnt compete with some of the foreign car companies. I saw a guy driving around town in his large Chevy Pickup truck. In the back of the truck he had a large sign that read, "If your out of work, and you drive a Foreign made car, You have nobody to blame but yourself". Those words are just as true today as they where back then. The Doraville GM assembly plant has shut down, nothing there but an empty building. The Ford Assembly plant in South Atlanta has met the same faith. Good paying jobs lost forever. good paying support jobs also lost. I think of the number of train cars that where delivered to those two plants every day. Frei9ght dont roll into empty plants. No freight, no need for train crews, no need for track workers. You also had the countless number of trucks that serviced those same facilities, how many truck drivers lost their jobs. They certainly didnt get any pay raises.

Your choices do make a difference. You keep buying overseas, and sooner or later you will have to move overseas to get a job.
 
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