So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[sld]

You only copy and paste what you want, for message board space quantity, over quality. I'm surprised more don't call you out.
My 100% on original subject, 100% relevant Post question #742 has been sitting for days unanswered. You're spearheading the battery car push here, so why haven't you answered it?

Been ignoring him for a long time. You can't have an intelligent dialogue with the copy / paste master. He will overload the thread and people get tired of it. Seems to be a lefty tactic.

 

[Loren49]

What's the range of a typical battery car used on a -25C day driving through snow, with snow tires, with the passenger cabin heated?

Question not original nor profound..its an obvious question for us in the north country.

HowStuffWorks "Does Extreme Weather Affect Electric Cars?"
....These types of questions surround electric cars, and have played a major role in their delayed entry into our mainstream transportation system. One of the biggest questions of all: Does extreme weather affect electric cars?...

It's an admirable notion to want to reduce your carbon footprint by giving up fossil fuel-powered transportation. But none of us wants to contemplate getting stranded in sub-freezing temperatures after our electric eco-chariot runs out of juice halfway to our destination. (There's even a name for this fear of a dead battery when least convenient -- range anxiety.) And yet, for many reasons, electric cars are prone to lose their battery charge more rapidly when used in extreme temperatures.
The electric Mini E, a battery-powered version of BMW's Mini Cooper, threw New York and New Jersey-area lessees for a loop in the winter of 2009 and 2010. The Mini E drivers discovered that extreme cold reduced the cars' 100- to 120-mile (161- to 193-kilometer) range by as much as 30 percent. According to a New York Times article on the subject, and commenters who said they drove the car, running a heater accounts for a large portion of the energy loss.
There are ways around the extreme temperature problem, namely, keeping the battery heated or cooled so that it runs in its operating temperature sweet spot. So-called active thermal management systems for batteries, like that on the Coda Sedan, Nissan LEAF and Tesla Roadster, work to minimize the effects of efficiency-sapping temperature extremes. GigaOm, a technology news and trends blog, reported on one of the great debates within the electric vehicle battery world -- whether it's best for manufacturers to use air or liquid systems to keep temperatures in check.

Electric Car Drivers Report Impact from Extreme Cold | PluginCars.com
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Lots of information available if you look. Didn't realize you couldn't find information. I assumed you were trying to find a reason that no one could rationally choose an EV. I predict that those in extremely frigid climates will be less likely to buy an EV and select a hybrid. (Current EV won't work for me)
I view a fear of cut and paste to a fear of information. Find something to contradict what you don't like????

Loren

 

[houstonscott]

Question not original nor profound..its an obvious question for us in the north country. HowStuffWorks "Does Extreme Weather Affect Electric Cars?" ....These types of questions surround electric cars, and have played a major role in their delayed entry into our mainstream transportation system. One of the biggest questions of all: Does extreme weather affect electric cars?... It's an admirable notion to want to reduce your carbon footprint by giving up fossil fuel-powered transportation. But none of us wants to contemplate getting stranded in sub-freezing temperatures after our electric eco-chariot runs out of juice halfway to our destination. (There's even a name for this fear of a dead battery when least convenient -- range anxiety.) And yet, for many reasons, electric cars are prone to lose their battery charge more rapidly when used in extreme temperatures. The electric Mini E, a battery-powered version of BMW's Mini Cooper, threw New York and New Jersey-area lessees for a loop in the winter of 2009 and 2010. The Mini E drivers discovered that extreme cold reduced the cars' 100- to 120-mile (161- to 193-kilometer) range by as much as 30 percent. According to a New York Times article on the subject, and commenters who said they drove the car, running a heater accounts for a large portion of the energy loss. There are ways around the extreme temperature problem, namely, keeping the battery heated or cooled so that it runs in its operating temperature sweet spot. So-called active thermal management systems for batteries, like that on the Coda Sedan, Nissan LEAF and Tesla Roadster, work to minimize the effects of efficiency-sapping temperature extremes. GigaOm, a technology news and trends blog, reported on one of the great debates within the electric vehicle battery world -- whether it's best for manufacturers to use air or liquid systems to keep temperatures in check. Electric Car Drivers Report Impact from Extreme Cold | PluginCars.com ------------------------------------------------------ Lots of information available if you look. Didn't realize you couldn't find information. I assumed you were trying to find a reason that no one could rationally choose an EV. I predict that those in extremely frigid climates will be less likely to buy an EV and select a hybrid. (Current EV won't work for me) I view a fear of cut and paste to a fear of information. Find something to contradict what you don't like???? Loren

Well the answer is YES, electric cars suck in the cold and become more useless. Why anyone would choose electric makes no sense, they just get crushed on every way you can measure, the only explanation is you believe the hoax of CO2 emissions and global warming, and for some reason think you are some how reducing something or doing your part to lowering global temps, none of which, is true. HS

 

[Loren49]

Sakti3 Claims Solid-State Battery Breakthrough For Electric Cars

Loren

 

[houstonscott]

Sakti3 Claims Solid-State Battery Breakthrough For Electric Cars Loren

If you could double it again to a range of 600 miles, and recharge it in five minutes, and it weighed 120lbs, or less, you would have a modern high pressure diesel of TODAY. HS

 

[DarkBlack]

Question not original nor profound..its an obvious question for us in the north country.

HowStuffWorks "Does Extreme Weather Affect Electric Cars?"
....These types of questions surround electric cars, and have played a major role in their delayed entry into our mainstream transportation system. One of the biggest questions of all: Does extreme weather affect electric cars?...

It's an admirable notion to want to reduce your carbon footprint by giving up fossil fuel-powered transportation. But none of us wants to contemplate getting stranded in sub-freezing temperatures after our electric eco-chariot runs out of juice halfway to our destination. (There's even a name for this fear of a dead battery when least convenient -- range anxiety.) And yet, for many reasons, electric cars are prone to lose their battery charge more rapidly when used in extreme temperatures.
The electric Mini E, a battery-powered version of BMW's Mini Cooper, threw New York and New Jersey-area lessees for a loop in the winter of 2009 and 2010. The Mini E drivers discovered that extreme cold reduced the cars' 100- to 120-mile (161- to 193-kilometer) range by as much as 30 percent. According to a New York Times article on the subject, and commenters who said they drove the car, running a heater accounts for a large portion of the energy loss.
There are ways around the extreme temperature problem, namely, keeping the battery heated or cooled so that it runs in its operating temperature sweet spot. So-called active thermal management systems for batteries, like that on the Coda Sedan, Nissan LEAF and Tesla Roadster, work to minimize the effects of efficiency-sapping temperature extremes. GigaOm, a technology news and trends blog, reported on one of the great debates within the electric vehicle battery world -- whether it's best for manufacturers to use air or liquid systems to keep temperatures in check.

Electric Car Drivers Report Impact from Extreme Cold | PluginCars.com
------------------------------------------------------
Lots of information available if you look. Didn't realize you couldn't find information. I assumed you were trying to find a reason that no one could rationally choose an EV. I predict that those in extremely frigid climates will be less likely to buy an EV and select a hybrid. (Current EV won't work for me)
I view a fear of cut and paste to a fear of information. Find something to contradict what you don't like????

Loren

All that time to flap about my question not being profound, etc... as you do so well, yet you avoided half the battery car problem.
Maybe I should have put it in bold case to hold your attention.

What about driving through snow with snow tires???

Are you just inattentive, or do you just not want to deal with that inconvenient reality? A Large part of this country has to commute through snow days...yes and those days may also be very cold. And yes driving through snow without snow tires is dangerous. And yes snow tires take more energy than summer tires.

So, for us people who live in reality, not best case theoretical conditions:
What's the average range of a battery car @ -25C driving though snow with snow tires, while keeping the cabin warm?

 

[DarkBlack]

My last post make me realize, the same left nut battery car proponent, are mostly the same ones crying global warming.
The irony is that their 'savior' battery vehicle is only moderately competitive at best, in the conditions of "global warming' that they so despise.

 

[Loren49]

All that time to flap about my question not being profound, etc... as you do so well, yet you avoided half the battery car problem.
Maybe I should have put it in bold case to hold your attention.

What about driving through snow with snow tires???

Are you just inattentive, or do you just not want to deal with that inconvenient reality? A Large part of this country has to commute through snow days...yes and those days may also be very cold. And yes driving through snow without snow tires is dangerous. And yes snow tires take more energy than summer tires.

So, for us people who live in reality, not best case theoretical conditions:
What's the average range of a battery car @ -25C driving though snow with snow tires, while keeping the cabin warm?

I have driven in snow for many years without snow tires. Just have to decide when the conditions are poor and drive accordingly. Is it a fact that EVs can't use all season or snow tires?what would work. I would leave it to the individual to decide if an EV would work and f they value the good parts enough to put up with the challenges.

I cut and paste because some would rather just spout off nonsense.
https://www.rightturn.com/tires-by-vehicle/electric-tires/
Electric Vehicle Winter Tires

If you live in an area that receives any amount of winter weather, driving on ice and through rain, slush, and snow is unavoidable. To make sure that your electric vehicle is ready to handle those conditions, you need to buy a set of winter tires. Winter tires have been designed with tread patterns that can quickly channel winter moisture from under the tires and to grab the ice on the road so you won't lose traction. Unlike other types of tires, they will stay pliable in temperatures consistently below 45 degrees Fahrenheit. More pliability means more traction.

Some posts don't deserve a response.

Loren

 

[DarkBlack]

So.... What would one expect for a range??????

 

[Loren49]

My last post make me realize, the same left nut battery car proponent, are mostly the same ones crying global warming.
The irony is that their 'savior' battery vehicle is only moderately competitive at best, in the conditions of "global warming' that they so despise.

Science and facts are missing...repeated it doesn't make it true. It's your dream, make it as big as you want. Labeling someone a " left nut battery car proponent" because he has referenced information that contradicts baseless/biased statements. Name calling has no place in this discussion. Left, right, middle has nothing to do with it and why would you throw in the GW thing again as it has produced discussion that has closed many threads. Go by the rules of this board. I refrained from posting the latest GW report and think your head is in the sand while you think I'm not a patriotic American and crazy. Please respect the rules on this board and refrain from attempted insults. It makes it appear that you lack substance in your argument. At least you didn't compare a possible advance in battery capacity to the modern diesel engine.

Loren