So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[bumperm]

What is the source of hydrogen ?

A good short description is here: Hydrogen fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An excerpt from wiki (please note the last couple of sentences. Guess we better start uncorking all those cows so they can start producing methane again . . . ). Oh, and before you get all giddy because they mention wind and solar power, remember that windmills are killing raptors and solar mirror farms are torching them in mid-air.

Production[edit]
Main article: Hydrogen production
Because pure hydrogen does not occur naturally[citation needed], it takes a substantial amount of energy in its industrial production. There are different ways to produce it, such as electrolysis and steam-methane reforming process. In electrolysis, electricity is run through water to separate the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. This method can use wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, fossil fuels, biomass, and many other resources.[2] Obtaining hydrogen from this process is being studied as a viable way to produce it domestically at a low cost. Steam-methane reforming, the current leading technology for producing hydrogen in large quantities,[4] extracts the hydrogen from methane. However, this reaction causes a side production of carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, which are greenhouse gases and contribute to global warming.[1]

 

[buickanddeere]

My point. There is no green source of hydrogen.

 

[DarkBlack]

My point. There is no green source of hydrogen.

There's no overall 'green' source of energy for human consumption at all. There's no free lunch. Pro's and Con's, that's all it is.

 

[Loren49]

What makes you think your links are true and mine are not? Mine have not been proven wrong almost 20 years. 3)The people involved in writing these models, which are not evidence of anything, have already admitted to altering of data and lying about the models and predictions. You are simply wrong about man made global warming. PS; I didn't call you an idiot. You did that all by yourself. I don't give a flying walinda if you buy a battery operated car, 1) but the idea that you demand I do, or 2)help you buy yours, because you believe a hoax, is not tolerable. HS.

You continue to make up things.
1) Any evidence that I or anyone is making anyone buy an EV???????
2) As I have stated there is no EV in my foreseeable future so you are not helping pay nor have I asked you.
3)Read??????
'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty over data | Environment | theguardian.com
Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty over data
Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says
17 "Climategate CRU emails suggest conspiracy" A number of investigations have cleared scientists of any wrongdoing in the media-hyped email incident
80 "500 scientists refute the consensus" Around 97% of climate experts agree that humans are causing global warming.

Try something original(not included in the 176 of other denier claims.)


I am tired of paying the hidden costs of fuel for unneeded gas guzzlers.
IMF: Gas Prices Don't Reflect True Costs : NPR
Understanding the True Cost of a Gallon of Gasoline and a 1KW of Electricity

But I will tolerate it.:dance1:

Loren

 

[houstonscott]

You continue to make up things. 1) Any evidence that I or anyone is making anyone buy an EV??????? 2) As I have stated there is no EV in my foreseeable future so you are not helping pay nor have I asked you. 3)Read?????? 'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty over data | Environment | theguardian.com Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty over data Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says 17 "Climategate CRU emails suggest conspiracy" A number of investigations have cleared scientists of any wrongdoing in the media-hyped email incident 80 "500 scientists refute the consensus" Around 97% of climate experts agree that humans are causing global warming. Try something original(not included in the 176 of other denier claims.) I am tired of paying the hidden costs of fuel for unneeded gas guzzlers. IMF: Gas Prices Don't Reflect True Costs : NPR Understanding the True Cost of a Gallon of Gasoline and a 1KW of Electricity But I will tolerate it.:dance1: Loren

Around 97% of climate experts agree that humans are causing global warming, but there is no evidence, just a model in computer that remains wrong year after year. HS

 

[RobertBrown]

This is where you play the hole card..........the "Artic sea ice card".
Then he disputes credibility of your sources again......along with stating historical trends.

YAWN

 

[MossRoad]

Floyd R. Turbo, American....

 

[houstonscott]

Floyd R. Turbo, American.... YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqXDN3Scsls&feature=player_detailpage

Only a whimp let's someone else speak for them, anyway, it doesn't work anymore, Alinski tactics are well known. Got something to say, have guts enough to say it. HS

 

[Loren49]

!This is where you play the hole card..........the "Artic sea ice card".
The he disputes credibility of your sources again......along with stating historical trends.

YAWN

Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says

10 "Antarctica is gaining ice" Satellites measure Antarctica losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

29 "Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle" Thick arctic sea ice is undergoing a rapid retreat.

44 "Arctic sea ice has recovered" Thick arctic sea ice is in rapid retreat.

The ice claims are addressed in the 176 claims.

I did not want this exchange but some insist on throwing Climate Change denial rhetoric into a discussion when their other arguments are weak. I would prefer if these claims and discussions take place on the Front Porch where I do not go. I'm frustrated that these GW posts were not removed when the topic was first introduced in this thread (post #619)

There is tons of information out there and the GW discussion detracts fro the EV topic. It is not a reason to reject innovations in transportation.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

How much "guts" does it take to type something on a keypad? How much work does it take to research a topic and read extensively and use references to support a personal statement?

Loren