Truck weight registration

[Soundguy]

As the renter of the truck I should only have to look on the door tag.

as the operator of the truck you should be hauling what is legal in that truck. registration is telling you what's legal.

Every truck i EVER rented they gave me / made me aware of where the registration was.

 

[George2615]

and yet, apparently you did not read what tcartwri actually wrote.

He said he looked at the door sticker.. not the registration. IE. he accidentally overloaded the truck because he did not see what it was registered for.

the registration on my f350 and my f450 does not match the door sticker and they are perfectly legal if i pay attention to my registered weight.

I read what Tim said which is the same thing I said in my last post. As a renter of the truck he looked at the door tag as I do. He expected he was renting a truck up to the task only to find out it wasn't registered per the door tag. It should not be his responsibility to see what it's registered for but that it is capable of hauling his load..
If I ever come to Fla. remind me never to borrow a truck or trailer from you.

 

[Soundguy]

. It should not be his responsibility to see what it's registered for but that it is capable of hauling his load..
If I ever come to Fla. remind me never to borrow a truck or trailer from you.

the law states the operator of a vehicle is responsibe for quite a few things!

if you borrow a buddies car to drive to the store.. and that car has an expired tag you get the ticket, not your buddy.

(operating ) is the key word here. The onus is on the operator for most issues like that!

 

[George2615]

I can understand if YOU own the vehicle or trailer and want to register it for less than GVW because YOU know YOU will never load it to weigh more than what you register it for and YOU want to save a few bucks.

My point is, truck or trailer rental companies are in business. How long will they stay in business in they under register every truck or trailer they rent out. The public has the expectation they are renting a vehicle with a certain GVW. That's one of the reasons they rent a truck to avoid overloading their own truck or trailer.
If the public comes in and rents a 26K GVW truck (registered for 20K to save money) to haul their 8K load. Then find out later at a weigh station they are hauling their load illegally because their load was 8K, the truck weighed 18K which put them at 26K which is 6K over the registered weight. Big fines to follow. I'd be highly upset and never rent from that company again.

I'm glad this subject came up. I've been renting big box trucks (over 26K) for many years and have never looked for or seen a registration. I guess I better start looking at them.

 

[Soundguy]

lately i see rental box trucks that actually state in stenciled letters " LESS THAN 26000 "

I can remember a few years ago when they might actually stencil 26k.. etc. but seeing 'less than' is more common...

 

[Jstpssng]

I doubt truck rental companies would register their trucks under the GVW. At most truck rental places anyone with a regular drivers license can rent a straight box truck up to 26,000. If the truck is over 26,000 they require the driver to have a CDL. A 5 ton truck isn't much more than a 1 ton pick up. I have rented many straight box trucks over the years. Some were under 26K some over but their registrations listed the GVW. They are not going to take a chance being sued in a lawsuit if some truck renter gets in an accident with a 26K rated truck and have the law find out they only registered it for 20K.

That raises another question; if you are driving a vehicle registered for 6 tons or more; or using any vehicle for commerce; you are required to abide by many of the same laws of a commercial trucker- including running a log book. When you rent a Ryder truck, do any of the minimum wage clerks point that out to you? Does Ryder supply the log or do they add that onto your bill?

I am looking at an old bucket truck to use around my properties so it should never be driven far but I will occasionally need to move it down the road. It is on a F700 and has a 40 ft lift on it. Looking at the specs the truck weights about 10,000 lbs and the boom probably doesn't weigh more than the truck so I a guessing that the truck weighs somewhere around 20,000 (I will take it to the scales at the grain bin to make sure exactly what weight it is). Looks like the GVWR is 33,000. I don't plan on ever carrying anything on it or towing anything with it. Is there any problem with me registering is as a 26,000 vehicle so I won't need a CDL to drive it. I don't have and don't want a CDL.

Another issue which would concern me; how reliable/ safe is the boom? I can think of few things worse than getting 40 feet in the air when a valve failss and you are trapped... one of those "worse" things would be having the system fail, and suddenly going from 40 feet to ground.

 

[tedmed0302]

This is exactly how Budget, Ryder, etc.... can rent joe blow a 5 ton straight truck. They register them for well under the GVW.

Just a quick note here, in my state the rules are sneaky for anything with a combined GVW of up to 26,000lbs (no CDL needed if juice brakes)----yes truck and trailer, and more so if 10,001 and up. If you cross the line and go 26,001 then CDL---regardless of air or juice brakes, so watch out you guys with the Ford F550 Pickup pulling a 9 ton tag trailer with say a Bobcat and small roller----you will be over 26,001---and getting grounded/towed---if you don't have a CDL...

I own a GMC 6500 (baby cat, Allison Auto)---door sticker says 18,000 Rear Axle, 10,000 Front Axle----naturally you would think 28,000, so CDL right? Nope, derated by manufacturer to say 26,000! My truck was a former Moving truck originally from Maryland. If I put a homemade trailer on it with a GVW of 1 lb---CDL, because you cross 26001. I tow a 9 ton trailer with it so my combined is 44,000---so Class A (formerly called Class 1), Combination License required---which I have (and a bunch of other endorsements) so they get me for about $130 every few years to renew!! I'm telling you guys, follow the max fines/rules and you will be in the clear!!

So back to the rental yard, under 26,000 is where they reside. I call it the gray area... If you rent a 5 ton truck, no trailer, no worries. Put a small trailer on it, then you need a health card and safety gear, you are over 10,001---by my States rules. Whatever you do, don't put a big trailer on it and cross 26,001----if you don't have a CDL---cause you need one to do that.

Anyone here ever drive by a weigh station and see some poor soul unloading a uhaul box truck? I have, LoL! First of all, if you don't have a CDL, don't worry about it, and blow by them. Plead ignorance with the Troopers----shoot, let your wife drive---works like a charm!! If you have a CDL, don't overload your truck, you know the deal, a commercial truck must pull in and get weighed regardless of who the actual owner is, its the drivers responsibility. Oh and you better have triangles, a chock block, fuses, etc---your safety gear.

Good luck gents!!

 

[tedmed0302]

For Professor Marvel, I got a little long winded on the last couple because I hope I can help some other people besides you. You have to check VA DOT rules not just Federal about your truck. If they allow owner derate to 26,000 from 33,000 (no air brakes) then you should be able to drive with no CDL, but don't leave VA---interstate rules apply if you do---so over 26,001 lbs---CDL required, regardless of what your home state let you do... If you have a farm and can put one of those plates on it, that is for sure your best option. In my state that works like a charm, but again the GVW applies here so you would need a CDL for over 26,001---i believe you said 33,000. Maybe not in your home state??

 

[tedmed0302]

Hey you guys are really going to laugh now! I totally forgot this part----the hoisting mechanism----boom lift part of the truck-----requires a whole separate inspection in my state!! A small fuel cell in the bed for refueling your equipment will require a separate inspection as well---by completely different people!!! Oh and it must be posted in an easily read location of the truck. I'm telling you, follow the fines and you will do just peachy!!!

 

[newbury]

That raises another question; if you are driving a vehicle registered for 6 tons or more; or using any vehicle for commerce; you are required to abide by many of the same laws of a commercial trucker- including running a log book. When you rent a Ryder truck, do any of the minimum wage clerks point that out to you? Does Ryder supply the log or do they add that onto your bill?
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All Ford F350 duallies are listed as > 6 tons GVWR 2015 Ford Super Duty | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com.

How widespread is that law or is it Federal?