Truck weight registration

[mikehaugen]

Which is a peeve of the truckers, with some justification.

I agree that it is justified.

 

[newbury]

We are both correct; I was referring to vehicle registration and mechanical requirements while you're talking about driver's licensing requirement.

Jst - you wrote:

That raises another question; if you are driving a vehicle registered for 6 tons or more; or using any vehicle for commerce; you are required to abide by many of the same laws of a commercial trucker- including running a log book. When you rent a Ryder truck, do any of the minimum wage clerks point that out to you? Does Ryder supply the log or do they add that onto your bill?
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That means registration, correct?

I asked:

All Ford F350 duallies are listed as > 6 tons GVWR 2015 Ford Super Duty | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com.

How widespread is that law or is it Federal?

Apparently I was not clear enough- I meant is that law

if you are driving a vehicle registered for 6 tons or more

(registration) Federal

You wrote:

That's federal: also,

And there's no law I can find in Virginia for that.

So just to clarify - Is there any Federal law stating

if you are driving a vehicle registered for 6 tons or more you are required to abide by many of the same laws of a commercial trucker- including running a log book.

?

Because I frequently drive from Mississippi to DC and am contemplating purchasing a newer F350 which would have a GVWR > 6 tons.

 

[tedmed0302]

Good evening Newbury. I have some people sending me offline hate emails but I want you to know that won't stop me, LoL! If you don't want to say it in public
, don't waste everyone's time! With that said, here I go. When I went to Class A school, 2008, we were taught that the Federal law says any vehicle over 10,000 gvw---then the rules apply. This would be as written by the FMCSA Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. What I have learned PERSONALLY by getting pulled over in 2006 and going to traffic court, is that your in state laws can vary state to state, but ultimately when you leave your home state---the troopers follow FMCSA rules---meaning you are traveling interstate. Again, max fine/money income for the particular state again, LoL! Now whether you are doing it for profit/commerce or personal reasons could change things for you in your home state---meaning they could take less or more pity on you if you screw up... Honestly the truck manufacturer s are the ones pushing the limits with making bigger, faster, stronger vehicles----basically ignoring the 10,000 lb federal guidance for basic drivers. My 2007 Ford F350 crew cab dually has a 13,000 GVW from Ford. When I tow a small tag trailer and my mini excavator, I put magnetic signs that say my name, hometown, gvw on my 2 front doors. I don't own a small business anymore otherwise I would just letter it---which you must do if the vehicle is registered to the business... When I unhook, do I peel them off and just tool around town? Yes, but the magnets are in the back seat with my road triangles, logbook, chock block, and spare fuses, oh and a copy of my DOT health certificate from my Dr... Hope this helps you!

 

[tedmed0302]

Folks, just a quick one this time, many states don't publish specific DOT guidance because they will say something like "All federal guidance applies" or "all federal laws apply." I know in my state that is the case. Shoot, we had "RMV Police when I was a kid getting my license! They are gone now and those duties are handled by the State Troopers or civilians depending on the topic.

 

[tedmed0302]

I am not trying to discourage anyone from buying an F350 and driving cross country. Most troopers will tell you they won't even look your direction unless you are doing something way wrong----like towing a D3 dozer on a small tag trailer---most likely overloaded or over 26K total gross----once again, bring on the fines!! Should you as a truck owner do your homework? Heck ya, unless you have so much money you don't care!! LoL!! I am serious when I say go get the CDL drivers handbook from your local DOT---they are free or $10 in most states. I think the cheapest fine in my state is $25 so its money well spent!!! It spells out your states laws if different from federal and what they are requiring of new CDL drivers to get licensed.

 

[tedmed0302]

Hey Rock Knocker, we are talking page 1-1 right? If so its gross "combination" weight over 26,000 then CDL. You cant go over 26,000 single or combined without a CDL. My truck is 26,000 without trailer. If my truck was 12,000 and trailer was 8,000 you would be correct at 20,000. Heck a 12000 truck with a 14000 trailer is ok. My gross combined weight is 44,000----not OK without a CDL. Oh and for those of you that don't know MA brought back trailer inspections a few years ago! Bring on more fines!! Gents, bottom line is I'm not a lawyer or English Professor. Can I say not 1 fine/ticket or problem since getting trained and getting my Class A CDL and driving inter as well as intrastate---yes. Maybe I got it all wrong and I'm just lucky!!

 

[Rock knocker]

Good evening Newbury. I have some people sending me offline hate emails but I want you to know that won't stop me, LoL! If you don't want to say it in public
, don't waste everyone's time! With that said, here I go. When I went to Class A school, 2008, we were taught that the Federal law says any vehicle over 10,000 gvw---then the rules apply. This would be as written by the FMCSA Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.

These rules apply only when one is a Motor Carrier, they do not apply to any vehicle

Hey Rock Knocker, we are talking page 1-1 right? If so its gross "combination" weight over 26,000 then CDL. You cant go over 26,000 single or combined without a CDL.

Sorry Ted, but no. You can exceed 26K in a combination without a CDL if your tractor is less than 26K and your trailer is less than 10K

Truck drivers are the absolute worse sources for getting information about truck weight laws, followed by dogs.

 

[dstig1]

Weird to hear about the rental truck issues. 25-30 yrs ago I was helping a friend moves some furniture to his folks cabin up near the Adirondacks. We were driving a smaller Uhaul van up the Northway I87) and came to an open weigh station. We were college kids at the time, and had no clue, so we debated as we approached, and decided to pull into it. We got the ugliest look and a rather violent flailing motion from the troll in the booth to "get the **** outta here", so we assumed we should not have pulled in. That was my only time passing a weigh station with a rental van. I have kind of figured they did not care about those vans as a result. Interesting to see the variation around the country, though I cannot say I am surprised to hear that Mass is a PITA about it. I've heard that a bunch on the Ford Trucks FTE forum.

 

[Jstpssng]

Jst - you wrote:


That means registration, correct?

I asked:

Apparently I was not clear enough- I meant is that law (registration) Federal

You wrote:


And there's no law I can find in Virginia for that.

So just to clarify - Is there any Federal law stating ?

Because I frequently drive from Mississippi to DC and am contemplating purchasing a newer F350 which would have a GVWR > 6 tons.

Rather than taking my word for it, you might consider talking to somebody in the commercial division of your local DMV. a few years ago I talked to a commercial truck inspector at the local state police barracks about what it would take to bring an old tandem axle trailer into compliance; I then sold the trailer, because I can rent one cheaper on the few occasions when I want one.

Having said that, I wouldn't want to discourage you from getting what you want; especially if your next choice was pushing the limits of a smaller rig. Also, as somebody else stated they really aren't going to be looking at a vehicle of that class unless you're doing something obviously stupid. Some of the scariest things I see are people hauling items on something not designed for it; like two people in a small car holding a mattress on the roof.

I've long believed that if we had to pass the test to drive our automobiles which a CDL driver goes through, there would be a lot less people driving;
and the roads would be much safer.

 

[farmer2009]

These rules apply only when one is a Motor Carrier, they do not apply to any vehicle Sorry Ted, but no. You can exceed 26K in a combination without a CDL if your tractor is less than 26K and your trailer is less than 10K Truck drivers are the absolute worse sources for getting information about truck weight laws, followed by dogs.

Don't do it in KY. Now this is atleast according to the KY Vehicle Enforcement Officer that travels the state doing trainings and seminars for companies that want to try and stay in compliance.
Question asked to him. What license is required for a 9200# truck with a 18000# trailer?
His answer. 9200#+18000#=27200#. CDL. And trailer is over 10000#. So class A CDL.

Former company had them in after loosing their ability to move Hazardous Materials. Yes too many tickets on a DOT Number without passed inspections to offset and the Feds start taking away what you can haul. No call or nothing. Just a letter from Federal DOT.