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[Garycw]

Yes DarkBlack. It is a Chinese tractor. It was a very unusal event. Imedeitly after the wrench shorted the solenoid, the wrench fell clear to the ground. It stayed latched in though. After the tractor finally cleared me, I pulled myself up and got it neutral. As soon as it went into neutral the soleniid went into a high pitch whine it continued to do so till I hit soleniod a second time ( while in neutral) and it stopped. It was something like out of the old movie " Cristine" were the car was possessed. I'm still undecided to keep or sell this tractor that I'd only had two weeks? ... Or burry it.

 

[TomSeller]

I'm wondering if there might be some sort of safety design flaw in the starter circuit of that machine, either electrical or mechanical. The starter should have halted the moment the short was removed. I tried looking on the web for diagrams but found none. I assume that's a Chinese tractor, and may very well have a flaw. I can't explain otherwise why it kept going.

I agree, there is something odd here. CM had a theory, but I don't know that even as experienced as he is if he was confident. It beats me as to why it creeped over him and paused for seconds at a time.

 

[Coyote machine]

I agree, there is something odd here. CM had a theory, but I don't know that even as experienced as he is if he was confident. It beats me as to why it creeped over him and paused for seconds at a time.

I'd say that the combination of the starter/solenoid having an issue with their function(s) prior to the accident happening, and the wrench creating a ground long enough to engage the solenoid and consequently the starter could have allowed the engine to move long enough to hit the fence and 'bounce back' toward the OP. The solenoid noise might be an internal short that was activated when the wrench shorted to ground, then remained energized by the forward movement it created via the starter, then since the starter's Bendix gear likely did not release, (since the tractor never actually started), the process began again once the fence pushed the tractor back toward where the accident originated.
I can't think of any other plausible explanation. Regardless of what the cause and effect are the result is most unfortunate for the OP. No matter how much we kick this around we'll never likely know for sure what went down.:confused3:

 

[Garycw]

CM, your theory seems to make the most explainable sense. As the tractor learched forward my legs, hips & latched & pinned fence was trying to push it back. If the fence wasn't there, I believe it would have continued to a steady crank over me and most likely started. I'm new to diesel , but think it would have started even though the key was not in. When it would be running I could turn key off and all gushes would go dead, but engine would keep running fine.
It may have been trying to Fire in gear, but gate was stopping it ?? Whatever it was it was the strangest thing I'd ever experienced. It's like a nightmare every time I think about it.
I'm not usally superstitious, but between this accident ( which was avoidable) and the other personal problem arising from being there working in it, in leaning more toward selling it with a disclaimer to new owner.
It's a shame, seemed like a versatile little tractor and was looking forward to finding a used FEL & possably a BH. I may have to sell it anyway to help pay hospital & helicopter ride.

 

[Garycw]

CM, your theory seems to make the most explainable sense. As the tractor learched forward my legs, hips & latched & pinned fence was trying to push it back. If the fence wasn't there, I believe it would have continued to a steady crank over me and most likely started. I'm new to diesel , but think it would have started even though the key was not in. When it would be running I could turn key off and all gauges would go dead, but engine would keep running fine.
It may have been trying to Fire in gear, but gate was stopping it ?? Whatever it was it was the strangest thing I'd ever experienced. It's like a nightmare every time I think about it.
I'm not usally superstitious, but between this accident ( which was avoidable) and the other personal problem arising from being there working in it, in leaning more toward selling it with a disclaimer to new owner.
It's a shame, seemed like a versatile little tractor and was looking forward to finding a used FEL & possably a BH. I may have to sell it anyway to help pay hospital & helicopter ride.

 

[skyhook]

When it would be running I could turn key off and all gushes would go dead, but engine would keep running fine.
It may have been trying to Fire in gear, but gate was stopping it ?? Whatever it was it was the strangest thing I'd ever experienced.

From what I've read here, you most likely had to pull a lever to shut it down, since the key would not do it.
If it was "pulled" out in the "kill engine postilion", it would not have started.
Mine did this also until I found that a fuse was oxidized, was preventing it from shutting down.
In my case, (until I found the problem) I would pull the "kill" lever, let it shut down and return it to the "run" position, had you done this, she definitely would have started, even with the key off.
Get rid of "both" of them, too many bad memories, turn the page and begin a new.
Hang in there Gary, there's most likely a rainbow at the end for you.

On another note, did you have homeowners insurance, etc....

 

[Garycw]

It does have a pull kill switch. It is connected to a fuel shut off cable. It does not stay in the kill position when you release it is springs back to run. To stop engine you have to pull and hold till it dies. Then it releases to normal run. This was a very easy starting tractor too. Fired right up easy.
As for homeowners insurance there is, but the farm is not in my fiance's name. She put it in her sons name for other reasons and not really sure if he even knows it.
... That Rainbiw will be a welcome sight All I see now is dark clouds.
I am walking a little better every day though

 

[DarkBlack]

I'm not so sure about the wrench shorting to ground explanation, as all starters I have ever known, are switched positive. But then again I don't know anything about the Chinese tractors.

 

[Coyote machine]

I'm not so sure about the wrench shorting to ground explanation, as all starters I have ever known, are switched positive. But then again I don't know anything about the Chinese tractors.

You don't have to be sure about the wrench shorting, the OP said it did; and how else would the starter be engaged, other than the solenoid being activated?
The OP said it bothers him to keep rehashing the details, so let's stop this unnecessary rewinding, OK people?

 

[Garycw]

I'm not so sure about the wrench shorting to ground explanation, as all starters I have ever known, are switched positive. But then again I don't know anything about the Chinese tractors.

Thanks CM. It may infact shorted to positive. Either way it shorted and engaged.