How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ?

[Garandman]

That's the reality of living in a place like this.

It doesn't sound like you work for the tourist bureau.....

 

[IslandTractor]

It doesn't sound like you work for the tourist bureau.....

Good one!

 

[MossRoad]

If you had a gun, do you think you would have survived? 16 year olds all think they can outdraw anyone and besides they are immortal. You didn't have a gun and lived to tell the tale.

You also did the right thing with your daughter in the car, who needs to be manly and make a point by starting a gun battle when your kid is in the back seat?

I am sure every single person who experienced what you described would be upset and wish they could intervene but good judgment says to escape first.

My neighbor kid friend asked his mom if I could drive him to DQ in their very nice car. So off we went. Got to DQ, got out, walked up and ordered. I came back from the DQ window to get in the car. A very large man was standing between the car and the car to my left, a 4 door yellow Electra 225, blocking my door. He said I bumped his car with my door. I apologized and said I didn't think I bumped it, but if there was any damage, my insurance would pay for it. He replied that I should shut up and he could have blown my head off just now as he pointed into the passenger window of the 255. There sat a man with a shotgun pointed directly at my face, over his right shoulder. I was now concerned with getting my friend killed more than anything else. Being around guns and quite familiar with them, my very first action was to slowly step backwards, which drew the big man towards me, which also put his body between me and the shotgun. His friend was now pointing the shotgun at his right kidney, not my face. At that point, had I had a handgun, I would have stepped back, drawn it, shot the big man in the chest, gone to the left side of the 225 and then gone after the shotgun guy, as the shotgun was too long to maneuver around inside of a car. Yes, that's what I would have done. That's exactly what I was thinking at the time. As it was, I again told him I had insurance, I knew the owners of the DQ, they could vouch for me as I worked there the previous spring, the parking lot was packed with people and cars and now there were 20-30 witnesses as I was quite loud in my apology. He basically knew he would go to prison and got tired of listening to the little boy, got in his car and left. I was not thinking of anyone else in that parking lot but me, my friend, and those two men. I just wanted to go home alive. I finished my ice cream cone and drove the neighbor kid home.

Your comment about me not having a gun and living to tell the tale is stupid, to say the least. I could have just as easily been shot. Because I wasn't, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Kind of like a tree falling in the forest, does it make a sound if no one is around. Most rape victims live, too. It doesn't make the crime any less heinous. Perhaps you and Bobby Knight should go fishing together. People have the right to defend themselves. Plain and simple.

 

[MossRoad]

It doesn't sound like you work for the tourist bureau.....

Sad thing is this place has lots to offer. Notre Dame. 4 other universities. Restaurants, shopping, a couple good neighborhoods here and there. Great transportation. Hour and a half to Chicago. 2.5 to Indy. 25 minutes to the inland ocean that is Lake Michigan. Beaches. Beautiful river going through town..... ND students get mugged on campus and surrounding neighborhoods. Shootings, stabbings, burglaries.... we got it all!

 

[IslandTractor]

My neighbor kid friend asked his mom if I could drive him to DQ in their very nice car. So off we went. Got to DQ, got out, walked up and ordered. I came back from the DQ window to get in the car. A very large man was standing between the car and the car to my left, a 4 door yellow Electra 225, blocking my door. He said I bumped his car with my door. I apologized and said I didn't think I bumped it, but if there was any damage, my insurance would pay for it. He replied that I should shut up and he could have blown my head off just now as he pointed into the passenger window of the 255. There sat a man with a shotgun pointed directly at my face, over his right shoulder. I was now concerned with getting my friend killed more than anything else. Being around guns and quite familiar with them, my very first action was to slowly step backwards, which drew the big man towards me, which also put his body between me and the shotgun. His friend was now pointing the shotgun at his right kidney, not my face. At that point, had I had a handgun, I would have stepped back, drawn it, shot the big man in the chest, gone to the left side of the 225 and then gone after the shotgun guy, as the shotgun was too long to maneuver around inside of a car. Yes, that's what I would have done. That's exactly what I was thinking at the time. As it was, I again told him I had insurance, I knew the owners of the DQ, they could vouch for me as I worked there the previous spring, the parking lot was packed with people and cars and now there were 20-30 witnesses as I was quite loud in my apology. He basically knew he would go to prison and got tired of listening to the little boy, got in his car and left. I was not thinking of anyone else in that parking lot but me, my friend, and those two men. I just wanted to go home alive. I finished my ice cream cone and drove the neighbor kid home. Your comment about me not having a gun and living to tell the tale is stupid, to say the least. I could have just as easily been shot. Because I wasn't, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Kind of like a tree falling in the forest, does it make a sound if no one is around. Most rape victims live, too. It doesn't make the crime any less heinous. Perhaps you and Bobby Knight should go fishing together. People have the right to defend themselves. Plain and simple.

From what you described, the outcomes, had you been armed were 1) you dead, 2) you charged with murder for shooting the guy without the gun, 3) you pull off a Hollywood action stunt. I'm thinking #1 most likely.

Agree someone was stupid. Glad you didn't have a gun.

 

[KiotiKowboy]

From what you described, the outcomes, had you been armed were 1) you dead, 2) you charged with murder for shooting the guy without the gun, 3) you pull off a Hollywood action stunt. I'm thinking #1 most likely.

Agree someone was stupid. Glad you didn't have a gun.

Wellllllllll ... If I'm on his jury - Not Guilty.

As for being glad he had no weapon - Have you no concern for the "NEXT" potential victim? Do you think those animals chose only him to threaten?

I agree that any act of self-defense does not come without risk. He very well could have died - but, he very well could have gone to his death without so much as having an opportunity to survive. I'm glad it all ended well but wouldn't it be interesting to know who else crossed the path of those goons?

 

[bcp]

How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ?

Don't ask, don't tell.

 

[MossRoad]

From what you described, the outcomes, had you been armed were 1) you dead, 2) you charged with murder for shooting the guy without the gun, 3) you pull off a Hollywood action stunt. I'm thinking #1 most likely.

Agree someone was stupid. Glad you didn't have a gun.

The outcome would have been two intoxicated men armed with shotgun killed by teenager in self defense. Witnesses state (I know what they would have stated because I knew several of them and they came up to me after the men sped off and told me what they saw while I was at the window)(I also asked them why they sat in their cars and didn't come to the window and tell me... they were scared) that when said teen exited car and went to service window, driver of yellow Electra 225 exited vehicle, went to trunk, retrieved shotgun and handed it to the man in the passenger seat, then stood between the cars waiting for the teen to return. Words were exchanged and the teen, fearing for his life, pulled a handgun and shot both men.

I was not the aggressor.

Unfortunately, I would have also had no concern for anyone else in the parking lot at the time but me and my friend. There were people all over the place. I tend to get tunnel vision in panic situations. And I get excited quick. That's the main reason I choose not to carry a handgun. But I'll fight for your right to make that decision for yourself. You shouldn't fight to take that right away from everyone. We are capable of making that decision as individuals.

 

[TomSeller]

I had a shotgun shoved in my face in a DQ parking lot when I was 16. I was able to talk my way out of it. I'm lucky to be alive. Had I been armed, two other people would have been dead, of that I'm sure. That was 1977.

I doubt that. The odds at two against one are that you would not be alive today had things gone violent.

 

[MossRoad]

I doubt that. The odds at two against one are that you would not be alive today had things gone violent.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Fortunately, I didn't have to find out. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.