How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ?

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   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #441  
Just saw a news report on Washington DC's process for applying for a LCF. You must prove you are in "special danger." You must take a 16 hour gun safety course from an approved instructor: only problem is there is no course yet approved and no instructors. There is a hearing scheduled the 15th to decide whether DC is in contempt of the court ruling. They were given 90 days last summer and still don't have a plan.

They probably haven't figured out how to plow snow yet either.

Do you have trouble with the requirement for a 16 hour gun safety course or just that it isn't yet available?
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #442  
For those that did not click on HS's link about California CCW.. This is a huge change for California. I am very surprised about this ruling:

A procedural decision in a landmark Second Amendment case could spell the end for California laws restricting the issuance of permits to carry concealed handguns.

The decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals would bar other law enforcement officials, including state Attorney General Kamala Harris, from gaining "intervener status" to join in further challenges of its ruling in a case originally brought by an independent journalist who sued the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department over its policy of requiring a specific reason for being allowed to carry a concealed weapon in public.

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore has said he will not fight the ruling, meaning there is no one with standing left to challenge the decision made in February.

“Since becoming Sheriff, I have always maintained that it is the legislature’s responsibility to make the laws, and the judiciary’s responsibility to interpret them and their constitutionality,” Gore wrote in a letter to the county board of supervisors earlier this year, in which he said the court’s decision gave him clarity on the issuance of licenses. “Law enforcement’s role is to uphold and enforce the law.”

Edward Peruta sued Gore’s department over its policy of requiring a specific reason for being allowed to carry a concealed weapon in public, restrictions other counties around the state also had in place.

In its bombshell ruling earlier this year, the 9th Circuit found those policies to be unconstitutional and held that law-abiding citizens have a right to bear arms under the Constitution’s Second Amendment and could not be required to justify their reasons for carrying concealed weapons. The panel simultaneously ruled on a similar case brought in Yolo County, and that county's sheriff, Edward Prieto, has not indicated he will drop further appeals, which could be heard en banc by all of the 9th Circuit judges or by the U.S. Supreme Court. Harris could try to join Prieto's case, although Wednesday's ruling appears to make it unlikely she would be allowed.

California counties have differed on policy in the wake of the February decision, with Orange County issuing the permits on request and others waiting for a resolution in the case.

One judge on the panel disagreed with Wednesday’s ruling, saying the state should be able to intervene in the case to “present an argument on an important constitutional question affecting millions of citizens.”

The law would still not allow felons or the mentally ill to possess firearms, and would still prohibit the carrying of them in places such as schools and government buildings.

Brandon Combs, executive director of the pro-Second Amendment Calguns Foundation, which represented the plaintiff in the Yolo County case, said he believes more counties will likely drop their restrictions on concealed-carry permits.

"Some sheriffs are probably going to see this news as evidence their policies are wrong," he said. "But sheriffs and police chiefs in anti-gun jurisdictions may need more help seeing the light. We'll be happy to help them, even if it means going to the Supreme Court.
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #443  
BS HS. If they are not related then why is the NRA's brain-dead solution to school gun deaths the weaponizing and hardening of targets? It is a defacto argument that people have the right to bear arms and use them on other people--whether that be the perpetrator or victim.
As IT would ask; of all the factors (there must be hundreds) where is your data identifying the gun as the cause of the behavior, and working exclusively on limiting them would impact the statics what so ever, and since the people have the rights to carry them, why waste time and effort focusing on the guns, unless your real objective is to attack the right and not impact the behavior. You see the environment is really mostly the cause for these, anti male culture, anti boy culture in schools, no father in home, pop culture, TV, selective reporting media, all might play a much larger role. HS.
 
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   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #444  
They probably haven't figured out how to plow snow yet either.

Do you have trouble with the requirement for a 16 hour gun safety course or just that it isn't yet available?

For some who CLAIMS you don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership, why don't YOU have an issue with DC not having set up the classes yet?
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #445  
For those that did not click on HS's link about California CCW.. This is a huge change for California. I am very surprised about this ruling: A procedural decision in a landmark Second Amendment case could spell the end for California laws restricting the issuance of permits to carry concealed handguns. The decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals would bar other law enforcement officials, including state Attorney General Kamala Harris, from gaining "intervener status" to join in further challenges of its ruling in a case originally brought by an independent journalist who sued the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department over its policy of requiring a specific reason for being allowed to carry a concealed weapon in public. San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore has said he will not fight the ruling, meaning there is no one with standing left to challenge the decision made in February. “Since becoming Sheriff, I have always maintained that it is the legislature’s responsibility to make the laws, and the judiciary’s responsibility to interpret them and their constitutionality,” Gore wrote in a letter to the county board of supervisors earlier this year, in which he said the court’s decision gave him clarity on the issuance of licenses. “Law enforcement’s role is to uphold and enforce the law.” Edward Peruta sued Gore’s department over its policy of requiring a specific reason for being allowed to carry a concealed weapon in public, restrictions other counties around the state also had in place. In its bombshell ruling earlier this year, the 9th Circuit found those policies to be unconstitutional and held that law-abiding citizens have a right to bear arms under the Constitution’s Second Amendment and could not be required to justify their reasons for carrying concealed weapons. The panel simultaneously ruled on a similar case brought in Yolo County, and that county's sheriff, Edward Prieto, has not indicated he will drop further appeals, which could be heard en banc by all of the 9th Circuit judges or by the U.S. Supreme Court. Harris could try to join Prieto's case, although Wednesday's ruling appears to make it unlikely she would be allowed. California counties have differed on policy in the wake of the February decision, with Orange County issuing the permits on request and others waiting for a resolution in the case. One judge on the panel disagreed with Wednesday’s ruling, saying the state should be able to intervene in the case to “present an argument on an important constitutional question affecting millions of citizens.” The law would still not allow felons or the mentally ill to possess firearms, and would still prohibit the carrying of them in places such as schools and government buildings. Brandon Combs, executive director of the pro-Second Amendment Calguns Foundation, which represented the plaintiff in the Yolo County case, said he believes more counties will likely drop their restrictions on concealed-carry permits. "Some sheriffs are probably going to see this news as evidence their policies are wrong," he said. "But sheriffs and police chiefs in anti-gun jurisdictions may need more help seeing the light. We'll be happy to help them, even if it means going to the Supreme Court.

Old news. The only recent ruling has to do with whether and by whom the ruling can be challenged.
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #446  
As IT would ask; of all the factors (there must be hundreds) where is your data identifying the gun as the cause of the behavior, and working exclusively on limiting them would impact the statics what so ever, and since the people have the rights to carry them, why waste time and effort focusing on the guns, unless your real objective is to attack the right and not impact the behavior. HS.

Sorry HS, that is gibberish. Try again.

My basic point was that research on gun injury/violence can help guide efforts to minimize those undesired consequences of gun ownership.

Most of us already accept that certain strategies, such as locking guns in places kids cannot get them, are reasonable. What is the data that such recommendations work? And, what factors might be changed to make them work better? Those would be examples (not contentious I hope) that CDC research might elucidate.

I understand that certain other topics are more contentious. The research finding that triggered the NRA to handcuff CDC and stop all work on gun violence, was the finding that women in homes with guns were at high risk of being victims of gun violence. If weapons are present in the household, wouldn't it be useful to know if those weapons actually result in a safer rather than more dangerous home? We cannot learn the answer from anecdotes, we need systematically collected data which is what the CDC does for many different health risks but not, thanks to the NRA, firearms.

I guess the NRA is cool with preventing kids from accidentally injuring themselves and others but draws the line at taking steps to prevent the deaths of the adult women in the household.
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #447  
For some who CLAIMS you don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership, why don't YOU have an issue with DC not having set up the classes yet?

Read my post again. I was simply pointing out that the DC government cannot even figure out how to get their streets plowed of snow. I am simply not shocked that they are late in getting the elements of a permitting system up and running.
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #448  
Old news. The only recent ruling has to do with whether and by whom the ruling can be challenged.
Not old news, what it means is; the courts are ruling (enforcing) that your right to bear ( have a gun on your person) arms, doesn't require a Permit, concealed or other wise. With the most liberal federal court in the US ruling this way it marks the end of concealed permits anywhere. I am highly suspicious of the reasoning behind these rulings by this court knowing who they are and what their agenda truly is, I would guess they are attempting to get this into the public light and pushed up to the SC for ruling that actually rules against conceal carry. HS
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #449  
Not old news, what it means is; the courts are ruling (enforcing) that your right to bear ( have a gun on your person) arms, doesn't require a Permit, concealed or other wise. HS

That ruling was many months ago. The story posted yesterday was simply related to procedural issues regarding who had a right to appeal the earlier decision.
 
   / How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ? #450  
Old news? as in not important? The time of the ruling is not important what is important is that it is a major shift in policy for California. California has always been a "may issue" state. In other words if you had political affiliation with the Sheriff, and paid him enough money under the table, or some such, you "may" get a CCW. Now it would seem the court has ruled that California will become a "shall issue" state. And I am still surprised by that ruling. So pixx on it all you want, I say it is an important ruling.
 
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