Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives

   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #131  
In your scenario you're basically trading procurement costs for operational costs. Operations and maintenance account for 75-80% of the total life cycle cost of a system and you're talking about consistently sending 3-4X as many aircraft to do the same mission. Not to mention that in certain high threat environments you have a higher probability of losses including losses in the most valuable and least replaceable part of the fighter system, namely the pilot.

Loosing half of twelve F-18F's or loosing half of four F-35's ? I'll take my chances with six F-18F's over two F-35's.

The maintenance costs of a F-18F are much lower than F-35 service.

While the F-35's are on the ground with highly trained techs nursing complex systems. A bunch of farm kids have the F-18F's flying.

That's where the high/low mix comes in. For high risk missions in contested airspace, you have a smaller number of F-35s that have a higher probability of surviving the mission just based on remaining undetected. Then for lower risk missions which comprise the bulk of any operation, you have a higher number of Super Hornets. You get the best of both worlds in the form of increased operational capability at a lower total lifecycle cost.

F-35 and F-18F are built by two different manufactures. Now twice the training, tooling and spare parts are required $$$

The F-35 can't get anywhere without tanker support. There is extra upfront cost,, overhead $$$ logistics and vulnerability



The Hornet upgrades in development are nice and have decent front aspect stealth from all reports, but you won't ever get the same level of performance as you get in a purpose built design especially in side and rear aspects, which are the issue in heavily contested airspace. They're a great low end complement in the high low mix but unless you're happy losing pilots, I wouldn't bet the farm on them.

The F-35 is not invisible to radar. It has a exhaust plume that is detectable. Depending on the range and radar frequency any and all aircraft show on radar. There is no radar invisible airplane. Then there are contrails under some conditions and plain old visibility by eye.



Not that easy. Multiple variants increases costs in a variety of ways. Start making major structurual modifications like new wings and you'll erode the benefit you get from using an existing platform. More than one program manager has fallen into the trap of "just using existing system X and make a few changes" only to have the whole program crash and burn.

It's only a wingtip and the engineering has already been done. They just bolt the folding tip on and avoid the heavy hydraulic hoses and actuators.

If really wanting to be on the sneak with F-35's. There will still have to be F-18G Growlers sent in with them.

The F-35 was a great idea that suffered the military mindset in the DOD.

Something simple and that works beats a complex item that doesn't work. A bunch of half trained wide eyed yahoo's in Toyota pickups with AK47's, improvised munitions and RPG's win all to often against NATO type forces.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #132  
A bunch of half trained wide eyed yahoo's in Toyota pickups with AK47's, improvised munitions and RPG's win all to often against NATO type forces.

Baloney. They may beat other irregulars or NATO trained locals but yahoos in Toyota technicals have never beaten true NATO forces. Inflicted casualties?? Sure. But never victorious in the sense of causing surrender or wiping out a company size unit.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #133  
Is that still true with ULSD? I know that it was true pre-ULSD but these days, I think the current Euro spec (Euro-IV or Euro-V) is pretty much the same as ULSD.
50 or better cetane is common in Europe.

Try to find a pump in the US whose cetane number doesn't start with 4 ...

(There may well be some - mostly from blenders who market a "premium diesel" product)
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #134  
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #135  
A bunch of half trained wide eyed yahoo's in Toyota pickups with AK47's, improvised munitions and RPG's win all to often against NATO type forces.

Not apples to apples. The only reason those people in Toyotas are not vaporized by NATO forces is due to the restraint adhered to by the civilized world with the intent of saving the innocent bystanders.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #136  
Doc,

It seems to me that your problem here - if I may be blunt - is simply one of ignorance.

You need to become better acquainted with the specifics of the diesel combustion process, diesel fuel, cetane numbers, etc.

Then you'll have a basis to understand why having a better quality diesel fuel is desirable and preferable ... (as opposed to having a poorer quality one)

... The principal measure of diesel fuel quality is its cetane number. A cetane number is a measure of the delay of ignition of a diesel fuel. A higher cetane number indicates that the fuel ignites more readily when sprayed into hot compressed air. European (EN 590 standard) road diesel has a minimum cetane number of 51. Fuels with higher cetane numbers, normally "premium" diesel fuels with additional cleaning agents and some synthetic content, are available in some markets. ...

Diesel fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cetane number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are a couple of ways to improve the cetane number: One is in the refining process, another is thru the use of additives ...

There are a couple of additives that are commonly used to do this: EHN (2-ethylhexyl nitrate) and DTBP (Di-tert-butyl peroxide) ... much written about it ...

(Educate yourself if you so desire ... but don't look to me to do it for ya: I'm way too busy at the moment to provide personal tutoring ...)

This is actually something you can personally understand ... with your own cognitive abilities, rather than having to have a blue-ribbon committee's stamp of approval ...

Being no fan of "Motor Rebuild In A Can", I really do get the distaste for the STP (and similar products) fiasco(s) ...

However, if you are using that one instance (or any number of them) to now adopt a fixed idea that all fuel supplements must be "snake-oil" then you yourself have wandered off into territory that is as logically fallacious as those who would accept Uncle Gomer's Miracle Fuel Treatment as being divinely ordained and good for everything that ails ya ...
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #137  
Any pump in CA should have a cetane number of 53 or higher: http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/fuels/dieselspecs.pdf
You sure about that ?

You'll note that the revision date of that document is March 14' (which means it could be a relatively recent development)

You'll also note that the "53" number is the "CCR Designated Equivalent Limits CCR Section 2282(h)"

Do you know what that verbiage actually means ?

CA is one state I haven't run in ... but it wouldn't surprise me that the diesel fuel there might well be somewhat different.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #139  
Any pump in CA should have a cetane number of 53 or higher: http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/fuels/dieselspecs.pdf
I'm not sure that says what it appears to say. My impression is that this doc specifies the test fuel that must be used while certifying a new diesel engine for California.

But Cetane specs is is a muddy, vague topic to research.

This 2013 discussion over on TDIclub.com is similar to our discussion here. The thread seems to come to the conclusion that California-legal diesel fuel will have Cetane of 47 or better as a byproduct of meeting air pollution standards (but California does not specify minumum Cetane), while Texas incorporated the California fuel standards intact and added minimum 48 Cetane (generally attained with this fuel spec) as an additional formal specification. So apparently only Texas has a formal Cetane spec #.

Can anyone cite a more definitive answer?
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #140  
I use PS in the gray bottle in my C15 Cat (2001) and it starts up way quicker than without. I imagine that IF I could get #1 diesel I could get away without the PS.
 

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