Diesel truck with best MPG

[jix]

Yep.. Cummins engine, ford body , Allison tranny. World by the tail.

 

[roadhunter]

Engine only get you so far when the rest of it falls apart around it. Worked on all three makers pre emissions trucks. They all have problems. Yes the mighty cummins has problems also. The only out of whack views are biased ones that believe there is "no problems to see here"

Anyone who thinks that the 6.0 Ford engine is comparable to the 5.9 cummins as far as dependability and reliability needs to do some research. I'll give you a hint, it aint even close. You can find plenty of articles and horror stories about the problems with Ford diesels. We own several where I work and they are constantly in the shop. Finally just removed all the emissions crap from the 6.4 and it finally seem to be able to go a few months without a problem. Believe what you want but rest assured that people will not be talking about the 6.0 and 6.4 ford diesels as some of the best diesel engines of all time. Have to go back to the 7.3 to find a legitimate top diesel from Ford and that was a looong time ago. Ford makes nice trucks and as has been mentioned a ford truck with a cummins motor and an Allison tranny would be the best truck around.

 

[roadhunter]

Yep.. Cummins engine, ford body , Allison tranny. World by the tail.

Yes. ^^

 

[Diamondpilot]

Yea the Cummins reputation is just terrible compared to the Ford and GM diesels. Oh wait. I'm thinking of Ford diesels with the bad reputation. Ford has by far the worst reputation for diesel trucks period. Cummins is at the opposite end of the spectrum with a proven track record of dependable and reliable engines in all kinds of equipment. Been that way for decades. Amazing how out of whack your views are compared to reality.

Cummins engine is great, too bad it's in a Dodge. Next year in a Nissan, can't wait.


Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Too bad we can't get a Cummins engine in a Ford body; best of both worlds!

They do that and Fiat and GM's truck sales would plummet.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Yep.. Cummins engine, ford body , Allison tranny. World by the tail.

Read a lot of magazines and the "experts" give the Torque **** as much praise if not more than the Allison. When it comes to modded trucks the Allison shows its weak spots first.

The Ram with a Asian transmission also gets very high praise but is very limited on the models it come on.

Chris

 

[Loadstar]

Anyone who thinks that the 6.0 Ford engine is comparable to the 5.9 cummins as far as dependability and reliability needs to do some research. I'll give you a hint, it aint even close. You can find plenty of articles and horror stories about the problems with Ford diesels. We own several where I work and they are constantly in the shop. Finally just removed all the emissions crap from the 6.4 and it finally seem to be able to go a few months without a problem. Believe what you want but rest assured that people will not be talking about the 6.0 and 6.4 ford diesels as some of the best diesel engines of all time. Have to go back to the 7.3 to find a legitimate top diesel from Ford and that was a looong time ago. Ford makes nice trucks and as has been mentioned a ford truck with a cummins motor and an Allison tranny would be the best truck around.

6.0 was not good, I'm not arguing it. Just like a 7.3 or a 6.6, I have turned wrenches on 5.9's and not for the pleasure of turning wrenches. Early emissions was an exceptionally hard time for all builders.

 

[roadhunter]

6.0 was not good, I'm not arguing it. Just like a 7.3 or a 6.6, I have turned wrenches on 5.9's and not for the pleasure of turning wrenches. Early emissions was an exceptionally hard time for all builders.

I understand. All engines break down. Just a matter of how often.

 

[dodge man]

We had our company Christmas dinner last night. I sat with our mechanic. We have about 250 pickups on the road. We drove 3 million miles last year. The fleet is now mostlt all 2011 and 2014 GM 3500 SRW Dmax 4x4 and GM 1/2 ton 5.3 trucks.

We have 1 Dodge Cummins about 30 Ford F150's and about 30 F450 and F550's.

Anyway he said he spent 1/4 million dollars in unscheduled maintenance. He said the biggest chunk was on diesels, u joints, and bearings.

He said gas trucks averaged $200 per year and diesel trucks 10 times that amount.

Chris

Chris, you realize when you make a post like this its like your saying it costs 10 times as much to maintain a diesel as it does a gas engine. My guess is if the difference was on twice as much, everyone would dump their diesels. I'm talking ag tractors, over the road semi's, constructions equipment, light trucks, everything would switch to gas engines. I'm sure you realize that's not going to happen.

Just a guess on my part, but if you take the identical piece of equipment, truck, car, heavy equipment, ag tractor you name it, and the only difference is a gas or diesel engine, the total operating cost is going to come out within 10% of each other, and it will favor the diesel engine. Take the long term cost into account, it would almost always favor the diesel the harder the engine is worked.

How can you compare the maintenance cost of a Ford F150 to that of a F550? It would be like me comparing the operating of my Kubota BX2350 to that of a Cat D8 dozier.

If I hear another post about how Dodge builds junk trucks with a good engine, I'll loose my lunch. Any body with an open mind knows all the big three have been making good trucks for several years.

 

[roadhunter]

I dont' think many people take his #'s seriously. He is also the one who said the aluminum F-150 is the cheapest 1/2 ton truck to insure but never provided anything to back that claim up other than claiming his agent told him that. Not exactly conclusive evidence that can be confirmed.

He also said his 1/2 ecoboost tows better than his 1 ton diesel dually.

He also said he has never had a vehicle break down in like 20 years of driving aside form 1 gauge cluster issue. Then a week later he explains how he was driving a SUV when the driveline snapped and caused all sorts of damage.

Clearly there is a pattern of gross exaggeration to make the Ford brand look better. This most recent claim of maintenance costs is no different. Anybody who spends much time on here knows his routine.

If what he says was actually true there would only be 1 major auto manufacturer, Ford. But clearly Dodge and GM build nice vehicles as well.