Strongest Korean brand

[DK35vince]

Compare the Kubota and Kioti tractor/engine models that have a 83mm bore and a stroke of 92.4mm.

On the Kioti side I'm talking about the 4A200LWH engine found in the DK40. There may be others, I'm just picking this one.

This engine has the same bore and stroke as the engines found in the Kubota L 3200, 3800, and 4600s

That's the same engine displacement and internal piston movement down to a 10th of a millimeter, there can be no accidental coincidence of same internal combustion engineering.

Honestly I don't know which company or country came up with the bore and stroke first. You could say Kubota copied Kioti and I have no evidence to back it up, but lets be real, there is Japanese engineering and drivetrain components in most of these Korean brand tractors, and Japanese companies like Yanmar, Mitsubishi, and probably others are profiting from it. I'm did not say outsourcing drivetrain components to Japan makes a Korean tractor less of a tractor, but it does it play into the bigger picture when comparing brands and reading claims in threads like these that Korean tractors are built as good as Japanese brands and are cheaper to buy to boot.

All I know for sure is that my previous tractor (John Deere 850) was a made in Japan by Yanmar. Owned it for 15 years.
My current tractor is Korean made Kioti DK 35. Have owned it for 13 years.
So far my Kioti has been excellent,Every bit as reliable and well built as my Japan made John Deere was.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Yes I should have put that (for You) in my post as that is the bottom line what you feel is the best for you. Funny thing is I felt the CK pedal was the worst of them as well.

I was this >< close to buying a Kioti CK35 shuttle. Not thrilled with the loader, but was acceptable. Then I decide for sure that I wanted an HST for my clean up tractor. Put my butt in the seat of an CK HST with my feet where they would be when operating the tractor. The Rocker was extremely uncomfortable for me. Xed that tractor from my consideration list then and there. Sad too,:sigh: I really like that tractor as a gear model.

 

[KiwiBro]

Unless I'm mistaken, the thread is still about "Strongest Korean brand"?

Are we assuming that any with Japanese parts are stronger, weaker, or it makes 5/8th of SFA difference in determining the strength of the brand relative to other South Korean brands, are we just interested in correcting misinterpretations and mistakes, asserting the dominance of Japanese brands, or what?

In terms of brand strength, from my perspective, they better have good parts, service, support and dealer networks, in addition to a good spread of tractors to choose from. I don't yet understand Kioti's product spread. It seems a bit confusing, in particular the overlap between NX/RX models.

I lean towards LS (but only just - if they got a wider network in USa they would be stronger), if in USA but there's no representation here in New Zealand. We have Case-IH and New Holland LS-made models here though. Kioti is getting stronger here and has been around here for a while now, and TYM is available also. I see Bransons available in Australia but haven't seen them in NZ.

There is currently a NZ Kioti deal that is about as good as I have seen in the too long a time I have been looking for a 50-70HP new tractor. Their RX 7620 (we don't have T4 regs to meet here in NZ so they can push it over 75HP if it helps them sell it for more $) It looks like it's the same as the USA RX6620 and 7320 models (although the transmission appears to be better). That's another thing I've noticed about the Kioti models. It looks like they will have a number of models in the same series that seem to have very few differences other than fuel delivery and timing, to justify the price increase.

 

[Roadbuilder6]

LS seems like a nice tractor. I drove two 50 boomers (4047 Ls's) nice tractors with pretty decent power. I don't know enough or have any experience with Kioti to say anything. But I gotta ask, why do you love specifically Korean tractors?

 

[GManBart]

Compare the Kubota and Kioti tractor/engine models that have a 83mm bore and a stroke of 92.4mm.

On the Kioti side I'm talking about the 4A200LWH engine found in the DK40. There may be others, I'm just picking this one.

This engine has the same bore and stroke as the engines found in the Kubota L 3200, 3800, and 4600s

That's the same engine displacement and internal piston movement down to a 10th of a millimeter, there can be no accidental coincidence of same internal combustion engineering.

Honestly I don't know which company or country came up with the bore and stroke first. You could say Kubota copied Kioti and I have no evidence to back it up, but lets be real, there is Japanese engineering and drivetrain components in most of these Korean brand tractors, and Japanese companies like Yanmar, Mitsubishi, and probably others are profiting from it. I'm did not say outsourcing drivetrain components to Japan makes a Korean tractor less of a tractor, but it does it play into the bigger picture when comparing brands and reading claims in threads like these that Korean tractors are built as good as Japanese brands and are cheaper to buy to boot.

First off, the discussion is about the strongest Korean tractor company, not a relative comparison to tractors from Japan, or anywhere else, so I'm not sure how this even came up.

Second, you got some bad data.

Kubota L3200 has a 3-cylinder engine of 1.5L with 83x92.4mm bore and stroke.
Kubota L3800 has a 3-cylinder engine of 1.8L with 87x102.4mm bore and stroke.
Kubota L4600 has a 4-cylinder engine of 2.2L with 87x92.4mm bore and stroke.

Kioti DK40 has a 4-cylinder engine of 2.0L with 83x92.4mm bore and stroke, although they don't make this any longer.

The current Kioti NX series have 1.8L with 87x102mm bore and stroke.

Tractor engines are typically under square, and that narrows down the number of bore/stroke ratios you're going to see. Just looking at those varied displacements, number of cylinders and bore and stroke relationships, it's pretty hard to say anybody copied anybody else.

 

[Olympus]

My little LS 2023 has a Mitsubishi engine, but I don't consider that a weakness at all.

 

[DK35vince]

My little LS 2023 has a Mitsubishi engine, but I don't consider that a weakness at all.

Its not

 

[TomSeller]

My little LS 2023 has a Mitsubishi engine, but I don't consider that a weakness at all.

I would venture to say that in some respects it is a strength to use available, proven engines rather than sink tons of engineering into an engine when it is the tractor ergonomics, capabilities and features that are discussed nearly all the time.

 

[Olympus]

I kind of agree. I'd rather have a known reliable engine with a long history than have a new engine from a company never having built engines simply to say tyne whole machine was build by one company.

 

[DK35vince]

I would venture to say that in some respects it is a strength to use available, proven engines rather than sink tons of engineering into an engine when it is the tractor ergoomics, capabilities and features that are discussed nearly all the time.

Big trucks, and heavy equipment have been doing that for years and it works great.
We have Peterbuilt, International, Ford, and Kenworths at work with Caterpillar engines and Fuller transmissions.
Some of our high lifts, pavers, chippers and skid steers use Cummins. Etc. Etc.