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   / Barn Cat? #171  
I was 4 when I saw my first hog butchered. It was in Majorca. They had a saw horse type table in the street. There were a lot of people around. No kids except me. Some men grabbed this large pig and layed it down on the table and held it still. Then they started to saw on its neck with a long butcher type knife - all the while holding it still. A woman had a bowl and caught the dripping blood in it. The men were laughing. The pig was squealing loudly and struggling until it just stopped. A woman gave me a milk cracker to eat while I watched from the sides. One of the men pushed his hand towards me, covered in blood above his wrist.
People do things. My brother went to help butcher a yearling calf- back when they would stun them with a sledge hammer, then cut their throat.
Go to a slaughter house. Watch them at work. There is plenty of suffering. It just happens.
I don't call it abuse, just a job.
There are those who do abuse- they are sick - had a student who skinned his dog (ended up in prison for arson). We have to be careful how we use that paint brush when we label.

- saw that last one: poison and rodents One winter down the center aisle between the cows there was this black rat all hunched and not moving more than a few inches at a time (we had put d-con out earlier). There was a big kitten trying to attack it and play with it. The rat in its misery just stayed put, and the kitten would bat it and jump back, jumping around it. Poison is a slow miserable way to die, but there are worse ways.
My step father had me toss a live trap with three rats into a burning barrel when I was a kid. That was cruel.
 
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   / Barn Cat? #172  
I was 4 when I saw my first hog butchered. It was in Majorca. They had a saw horse type table in the street. There were a lot of people around. No kids except me. Some men grabbed this large pig and layed it down on the table and held it still. Then they started to saw on its neck with a long butcher type knife - all the while holding it still. A woman had a bowl and caught the dripping blood in it. The men were laughing. The pig was squealing loudly and struggling until it just stopped. A woman gave me a milk cracker to eat while I watched from the sides. One of the men pushed his hand towards me, covered in blood above his wrist.
People do things. My brother went to help butcher a yearling calf- back when they would stun them with a sledge hammer, then cut their throat.
Go to a slaughter house. Watch them at work. There is plenty of suffering. It just happens.
I don't call it abuse, just a job.
There are those who do abuse- they are sick - had a student who skinned his dog (ended up in prison for arson). We have to be careful how we use that paint brush when we label.

- saw that last one: poison and rodents One winter down the center aisle between the cows there was this black rat all hunched and not moving. (we had put d-con out earlier). There was a big kitten trying to attack it and play with it. The rat in its misery just stayed put, and the kitten would bat it and jump back, jumping around it. Poison is a slow miserable way to die, but there are worse ways.
When I was in technical college, one of the students was an older man starting over, learning electronics. He invited several of his fellow students to his house to help him butcher hogs. In return, he'd give them some of the meat. The following Monday, there were quite a few wide-eyed young men who'd never seen that done before.... 357 to the head. Chains. Tractor with a FEL and lots of buckets and washtubs full of bloody parts. They got an education that weekend. ;)
 
   / Barn Cat? #173  
When we first got established here I raised a couple of hogs (both were named "BB"...short for BBQ :D)

A neighbor took me under his wing and taught me all about raising hogs...What I remember most about the first one we "processed" is...On a freezing cold predawn morning having to haul 5 gallon buckets of water up the hill from the river to fill a 55 gal drum supported over a fire box for scalding...no way I could do that these days...
 
   / Barn Cat? #175  
I am pretty sure they have never reattached someone's head

I saw it in a movie....
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   / Barn Cat? #177  
I never said their heart isn't in the right place. It genuinely is. However, they are terribly misguided. Its been proven time and again that un-vaccinated cats spread disease, and feral cats devastate wildlife. And traps and poisons work better than cats at targeting rodents.

Poison kills many different species not just the target species, including cats, dogs or owls who find a dieing or dead critter an easy meal. Yes if you have a bunch of dead mice laying around they are snacks for a dog, cat, skunk or whatever. I raised mice and sold them as a kid so know what those critters can take and now many species feed on them. I supplied about 50 mice a month to a couple pet stores, usually for snake food from about 8 years old till maybe 13. We raised pigeons, hunted, fished year around as well as hand dug large gardens all for food. I grew up POOR while rescuing a kitten was something we could & did do taking it to the vet was not in the budget as taking us KIDS to doc was not in budget (real easy to figure out when there is 0 money!) We kept a cat or two around with only rare small bag of food 2 or 3 lbs lasted a month, the cats ate mainly from mice/birds they caught. Some of the happiest animals we ever had were ones that would go hunting in fields or woods with us. They got the spoils of a good hunting trip or fishing trip (innards of the soon to be dinner for mom and my brother.)

People having this holier than though attitude is not something I cotton to. Lots of people say they were poor yet they had/have phones, TVs, Cars, electric & heat and parents with jobs earning money for those luxuries. I grew up with 3rd hand clothing hand-me downs from my brothers who got it from others.

Again just because you say un vaccinated cats spread disease it is less likely than Vets and Vaccine companies want you to believe. If the cats are healthy, fit and are able to feed themselves without eating poisoned dead mice they live long, healthy and happy lives.

Mark
 
   / Barn Cat? #178  
Again just because you say un vaccinated cats spread disease it is less likely than Vets and Vaccine companies want you to believe. If the cats are healthy, fit and are able to feed themselves without eating poisoned dead mice they live long, healthy and happy lives.

Mark

I'm sorry you had a poor childhood. That doesn't mean skipping vaccines is a good idea. It really comes down to this - If you can't afford basic care for an animal, you shouldn't have the animal.
 
   / Barn Cat? #179  
I'm sorry you had a poor childhood. That doesn't mean skipping vaccines is a good idea. It really comes down to this - If you can't afford basic care for an animal, you shouldn't have the animal.

So animals for millions of years have lived without vaccines and because your poor you should NOT be aloud to own a pet, ya real nice of you to decide that mother nature does NOT know best. That is one of the problems facing USA now is some people think that they know what is best for everyone else. (even though in many cases they fail to do what they say & absolutely blow a gasket when some one else tells them they should do XYZ...)

M
 
   / Barn Cat? #180  
<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/files/rural-living/405625-barn-cat-cat-burglar-jpg"/>

Cat Burglar

That sure looks like a real picture.
 

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