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Plasma Questions
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jimcolt
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Plasma is an essential tool to those that do a lot of cutting on a variety of thicknesses and types of metal. Of course there are many choices (brands, technologies, power levels, colors and price), and not all plasmas have the same capability and technology.
-With a good shielded plasma torch you drag the shield directly on the workpiece, the torch drags very smoothly and you can adjust the amperage until the speed is comfortable for the operator. Templates, straightedges, etc, made from metl or plastic or cardboard all work fine with a shielded torch. Very smooth edges are easily done.
-Unshielded plasma torches require a bit more operator skill as it is best to hold a slight standoff. Touching the material with an unshielded plasma causes arcing from the nozzle to the plate, and causes the torch to stick a bit which creates a rough cut. Shielded is the way to go.
-If you are just starting out and buying tools for your shop...get an oxy-fuel setup before a plasma. While it won't be as versatile for cutting...the oxy-fuel has advantages...heating, bending, loosening rusted, stuck parts, etc., as well as cutting on steel. Disadvantages are that they cost more to operate than (a good brand plasma) plasma, use flammable gas, and won't cut non-ferrous.
- There are a ton of low cost imports.....they do have reliability issues, and definitely do not cut as well as the major brands (higher cost). Typically a 45 amp Hypertherm plasma will outcut (speed, cut quality) a 60 amp low cost import. Parts and service will be available for decades....the imports parts will not. Huge advantage of the Hypertherm brand is consumables will typically outlast the imports by about 10:1.
-Air plasma systems can be easily adapted to mechanized cutting as well.
Jim
-With a good shielded plasma torch you drag the shield directly on the workpiece, the torch drags very smoothly and you can adjust the amperage until the speed is comfortable for the operator. Templates, straightedges, etc, made from metl or plastic or cardboard all work fine with a shielded torch. Very smooth edges are easily done.
-Unshielded plasma torches require a bit more operator skill as it is best to hold a slight standoff. Touching the material with an unshielded plasma causes arcing from the nozzle to the plate, and causes the torch to stick a bit which creates a rough cut. Shielded is the way to go.
-If you are just starting out and buying tools for your shop...get an oxy-fuel setup before a plasma. While it won't be as versatile for cutting...the oxy-fuel has advantages...heating, bending, loosening rusted, stuck parts, etc., as well as cutting on steel. Disadvantages are that they cost more to operate than (a good brand plasma) plasma, use flammable gas, and won't cut non-ferrous.
- There are a ton of low cost imports.....they do have reliability issues, and definitely do not cut as well as the major brands (higher cost). Typically a 45 amp Hypertherm plasma will outcut (speed, cut quality) a 60 amp low cost import. Parts and service will be available for decades....the imports parts will not. Huge advantage of the Hypertherm brand is consumables will typically outlast the imports by about 10:1.
-Air plasma systems can be easily adapted to mechanized cutting as well.
Jim
ThomasH
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I have never seen any side by side comprehensive evaluations of consumable life, but in general I think it is fair to say that you should buy a unit that is commensurate with your intended use. Not the the most expensive possible, nor the cheapest, but what makes the best sense in your situation.
I use a plasma unit a few hours a month typically, with some bursts where I need to use it 4-6 hours in a few days. I used to have a Miller Spectrum 375 which is a reasonably good plasma unit, but the torch was worn out again and had to be replaced again, so I decided to look around. I ended up buying an Everlast 70S amp cutter to replace it. The main reason that I didn't spend more is that I couldn't justify the business expense at this time. The Everlast unit happened to be on sale at Amazon for about $700, which was less than 1/2 what the Miller, Thermal Arc, and others I looked it.
It has a good bit more power than the Miller that it replaced did (roughly 2x) and cuts much faster. So far I see no difference in consumables. I don't doubt that one or two cutter/torch combinations by some premier makers wouldn't cost less to operate. I do know that with my level of use, I will be long dead and gone before I would come close to breaking even. The torch that came with my unit is a standard Trafimet S75 torch with consumables available from a number of sources. I would guess from my limited use (15 or so hours so far in 3 months), the consumables will last about the same as the Miller (needed none so far and have gotten high quality cuts in 1/4 - 1/2" steel).
So with a long warranty (5 years on the Everlast units) and reasonable consumable life, it works well for me. If I were using one several hours or more a day, my buying decision probably would have been different in that I would have bought one that was the most economical to operate.
To be clear here, I am not affiliated with any company and most of my welding equipment is Miller. That's why I bought a Miller cutter about 10 years ago, because it was the locally supported and 'safe' purchase to make. I paid what at the time seemed like a heck of a lot of money for it. When I started using it, I quickly realized that it made my OA torch obsolete for me.
Now that cutters are more common, supplies can be easily bought on the internet, and prices are more competitive than they have been in the past, the market has changed such that smaller shops and even home shops can have one. And there is a large variety of quality of machines from junk (imho Harbor Freight, LOTOS, etc.) to high quality units with a number of price points. Don't buy into the hype that there is only one good brand that should be bought in all circumstances.
Tom
I use a plasma unit a few hours a month typically, with some bursts where I need to use it 4-6 hours in a few days. I used to have a Miller Spectrum 375 which is a reasonably good plasma unit, but the torch was worn out again and had to be replaced again, so I decided to look around. I ended up buying an Everlast 70S amp cutter to replace it. The main reason that I didn't spend more is that I couldn't justify the business expense at this time. The Everlast unit happened to be on sale at Amazon for about $700, which was less than 1/2 what the Miller, Thermal Arc, and others I looked it.
It has a good bit more power than the Miller that it replaced did (roughly 2x) and cuts much faster. So far I see no difference in consumables. I don't doubt that one or two cutter/torch combinations by some premier makers wouldn't cost less to operate. I do know that with my level of use, I will be long dead and gone before I would come close to breaking even. The torch that came with my unit is a standard Trafimet S75 torch with consumables available from a number of sources. I would guess from my limited use (15 or so hours so far in 3 months), the consumables will last about the same as the Miller (needed none so far and have gotten high quality cuts in 1/4 - 1/2" steel).
So with a long warranty (5 years on the Everlast units) and reasonable consumable life, it works well for me. If I were using one several hours or more a day, my buying decision probably would have been different in that I would have bought one that was the most economical to operate.
To be clear here, I am not affiliated with any company and most of my welding equipment is Miller. That's why I bought a Miller cutter about 10 years ago, because it was the locally supported and 'safe' purchase to make. I paid what at the time seemed like a heck of a lot of money for it. When I started using it, I quickly realized that it made my OA torch obsolete for me.
Now that cutters are more common, supplies can be easily bought on the internet, and prices are more competitive than they have been in the past, the market has changed such that smaller shops and even home shops can have one. And there is a large variety of quality of machines from junk (imho Harbor Freight, LOTOS, etc.) to high quality units with a number of price points. Don't buy into the hype that there is only one good brand that should be bought in all circumstances.
Tom
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I am in the market and have never owned an O/A setup. I don't want to hassle with the bottles and like the flexibility with plasma, non ferrous, and it seems easier. Maybe this isn't true? Haven't tried it yet and I really can't justify the cost but it will be a fun tool no doubt. The powermax 30XP has me drooling. I want to be able to drag on material. Ideally, I would like a 45 and a companion CNC table but that is dreaming!
As it turns out my 14" cut off saw doesn't like going through 3/8" x 3" flat bar when it laid flat. I ended up cutting all my grapple tines with OA. It actually turned out better than I expected and there was only one cut that might need a little weld to fix. I was thinking of getting a metal cutting bandsaw plus a larger OXY tank but then I seen ThomasH's comments and checked out the Everlast prices on the internet. I found a Canadian price for a 50 amp unit that stated $900 but they were out of stock. So I started thinking that may be the way to go instead of getting a metal bandsaw plus a larger OXY tank. The pair would run me about $700. So if I can get a decent Plasma cutter for a little more I think that would be a better long term investment for me. I can still fill my small oxy tank and have OA avaialble for heating etc, and use the plasma for all my cutting.
I've got to check this out.
I've got to check this out.
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If you do get the larger oxygen tank KMS has the 110 cu ft on sale for $220 in their current flyer. 250 cu ft is $300. And their TD Cutmaster 42 plaz is $1219.95
Before anyone comments on prices keep in mind we are in Canada.
Terry
That's where I'm heading tomorrow. Last month they had the TD on for $1199 and I was very tempted to get one but then I read some comments on this forum somewhere about the TD 42 not having a standoff for dragging the head across the metal and I think that is very important for a novice like me. Then I seen the Everlast 50 and it was listed on the Everlast Canadian site at $900. That plasma has more power and I've seen some good reviews from members here. The only problem the Everlast Canada site states they have NO stock of the 3 plasmas listed on their site, the 50, 60 and 80 (I think). So apparently they don't have ANY plasmas to sell. I'll make some calls tomorrow morning before I head in to Kamloops. That always turns out to be an 8 hr day. An hour there, an hour back plus running around to all the stores that aren't available in the little town closest to us. I don't want to get the bigger oxy tank if I'm going to get a plasma. Hopefully I can get this all sorted out tomorrow or I'll have to go back again when I make the final decision.
Scooby074
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One thing to consider is service.
AFAIK with everlast (and the other chicom cutters) you have to ship the plasma back to them on your dime. Any of the big brands should have service depots relatively close.
I dont know what Canada Post would want to ship a plasma cutter, but it wont be cheap.
AFAIK with everlast (and the other chicom cutters) you have to ship the plasma back to them on your dime. Any of the big brands should have service depots relatively close.
I dont know what Canada Post would want to ship a plasma cutter, but it wont be cheap.
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I can't advise as to which plasma to buy if you go that route (I have two Millers and no experience with any other) but keep the oxy-fuel setup even with your small tanks for cutting jobs away from an electrical power source and all your heating, shrinking and bending tasks.
Have fun in the big city.
Terry
Have fun in the big city.
Terry
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why didnt you put your flatbar on edge?