Modular or stick built?

   / Modular or stick built? #41  
Up here in NB a lot of modular had rotten floo0rs after 20 years.. from ground moisture. Put em on a slab with good sealing, or a knee wall foundation, bot NOT on pilings with skirting!
 
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I tried to talk the wife into the living in a camper thing while we built. We could have parked it in the barn. We'd have water and electric and only one mortgage! No such luck...

The dome idea is clever but wouldn't fit that farmhouse look we want
 
   / Modular or stick built? #43  
I tried to talk the wife into the living in a camper thing while we built. We could have parked it in the barn. We'd have water and electric and only one mortgage! No such luck...

Dang ! What is the matter with wives anyway? My wife wold have been the same "I'm not living in a barn!" A little sacrifice for the long term is not that unreasonable.
 
   / Modular or stick built? #44  
As a GC I think we are comparing apples to oranges here. Both have their positives and limitations. Not all houses are equal. Would I have a modular home, no. Do I think less of them, no. I think it simply comes down to what One thinks is best for them. BTW, I knew the founder and owner of Ritz Craft back in the 80's. His philosophy was to build high end, and well built homes that no one else ever had. I believe you are in good hands with that company.
 
   / Modular or stick built? #45  
People are building homes out of square straw bales plastered with concrete, I read someplace, Some are using cordwood bedded in mortar. People in Africa build em out of dried Cow patties. Better Homes and Gardens are not crazy about these approaches. I like 2x4s and aspenite OSB with good insulation and vinyl siding for cheap, steel roof, pored concrete foundation and basement. Same old same old.:rolleyes:
 
   / Modular or stick built? #46  
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So for those of you that had to build on a budget, especially earlier in life, did you put emphasis on sq footage or nice finishes? How did you decide how much home to buy? I have a great job now, but a long time left to work. I'd prefer to keep things modest and do some compromising and would like to know where folks feel like they get the best bang for their buck? I'd like to build this year so all my stuff isn't on two properties and mortgage rates are still historically low, but we aren't rushed either.

When we bought our property, the plan was to build a decent house ASAP that was affordable and allow us to quickly pay off the land AND house loan.

We looked at modular but a quality modular was not cheaper than stick built but it could be placed much quicker. Since we only wanted a house around 1,600-1,800 square foot we hoped we could have a lower payment. Which we could, BUT our dream home is only 2,400 square feet and the payment difference is not that much. So the quandary become build the dream home now and eat the higher payments or wait until we were 60 when the small house was paid off and THEN build the dream house?

We built the dream house and that was 10 years ago. Neither of us has ever lived 10 years in one place so this is a record. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

It is a mistake to not think of resale. Life changes and while one may never expect to sell the house, one may end up needing to do so. I have family members who built a nice little two bedroom house that was perfect for them. Since it is two bedrooms it has been difficult to sell. Adding another bedroom would not have cost that much more and would have generated greater appreciation on the house over time AND allowed the house to sell easier. Think resale.

We spent money on things in the house that are hard and/or expensive to do after the build was completed. Glad we did. We put in granite counter tops which are wonderful, lots of wood trim and very nice cabinets. We spent money on these items and since we don't allow housing magazines or TV shows to tell us how to live we will never change them out for fashion reasons. Since we are stick built, we put in colored concrete floors which is dirt cheap, looks good and the kids can't destroy it like carpet or wood. We figured worst case is that we would hate the concrete floor and we would put down whatever we wanted later on. With a concrete slab you can put down what ever floor you want and not worry about it. The other big ticket items on the build were the windows and doors, both interior and exterior. So glad we did what we did.

I don't think putting in say, a cheap door today and replacing it with a better door tomorrow makes money sense. If you have the money, it is better and cheaper to do it right the first time.

We are seriously thinking of selling everything we own of value, buying a boat and seeing the world. :confused3::shocked::eek::D This is NOT something we had planned to do and is the exact opposite of what we planned to do which was to build this dream house, on our dream land and die where we currently live. Life changes things sometimes. Think resale. :laughing::laughing::laughing: In the boating world, boat designs are very serious compromises. Houses designs are compromises too but no where near the compromises in a boat. One saying when buying a boat is to buy the smallest boat you can live in, not the biggest boat you can afford. Reread that a few times and apply it to a house. THAT is the compromise to make.

Go get some 1/4 inch quad ruled graph paper and start drawing house designs. You can do this for stick built and modular. Look at other house plans and see what you like and don't like. Start drawing house plans on the graph paper. Minimize hall space and if you must have stairs, use the stair space wisely and minimize the stair landings. The design should be as simple as possible to minimize foundation and roofing costs.

I bet I have a stack of drawings an inch thick for all of the designs I created before starting on real blue prints.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Modular or stick built? #47  
Build the barn first and/or a garage. Your young even if you have young kids, you can live in an open floor plan for a while. It is nice to be able to be right on top of things when they are building the house. That was our original plan, however wife got the house first. Shop didn't happen for 10 years latter. Having a shop available will save you money with the ability to fix your own equipment. Think of it as camping in your garage for a year. Looking back on it should have stuck with original plan. At the time we sold the house paid cash for the land, moved into a duplex, minute they set the house, chances are going to have the two payment thing. That eats up a lot of cash right when you need it most. No matter how you slice it, if you taking a loan out your going to have to pay for it eventually, the key is keeping it so you can make payments on one income.
You have, road, well, septic, power, gas?, foundation, then set the house. The big ones are the house and the land. The quicker you get out of current mortgage, that is money in the bank. Once you have the well, septic and power you can live in a trailer for that matter. Just something to kick around.
We set the house in February, crane set, that way you can confirm a schedule, ground frozen. You can swipe snow off. Even though money is cheap still have to pay it off. We built when I was 35 taken us twenty years to get to the point where we have disposable income, with a lot of stress along the way.

That's what I did--had my 1000 square foot shop and the 20'W x 330'L gravel driveway built first. Then had the well drilled (154 ft deep, 6" dia casing) and the pressure tank installed.

I used a Ditch Witch to dig 1100 ft of trench for electric power, water and gas (propane). Then the concrete foundation was poured and the house was erected. Hired a licensed electrician to lay the 4/0 and 2/0 copper cables in conduit for the house and the shop. I laid the water lines. Had the propane supplier install about 130 ft of black metal pipe from the 250 gallon tank to the house.

My neighbor used your suggestion--built a nice 850 square foot shop, sold the house in town to start construction on his 2800 sf house and lived in the shop until the house was ready.
 
   / Modular or stick built? #48  
I tried to talk the wife into the living in a camper thing while we built. We could have parked it in the barn. We'd have water and electric and only one mortgage! No such luck...

The dome idea is clever but wouldn't fit that farmhouse look we want

That is what my wife said and i listened. After all money was cheap and we could get the loan. Well now we are 55 and she would like to get a less stressful job. No can do, oh and don't reminder her as to why. The difference between stick and Mod from pricing stand point and how they are built all in all isn't that much. Where you will save the money is speed. Next thing you should consider is how are you going to finance the build, construction loans and bridge loan costs are at higher interest rates and the costs add up fast! The time you take the loan out to build until the time you get your final mortgage, the interest and closing costs add up.
 
   / Modular or stick built? #49  
Appearances can be deceiving. During the framing stage a house always seems to go up quickly because you can see so much visible progress each day. Then it seems to slow to a crawl because things like wiring, plumbing, finish work, etc., don't show as much visible progress day to day.
You are so right. They were trying to get it under roof as fast as possible to get it dry inside. They have since added 2 dormers, and started a fireplace boxout on one end. It's the inside that takes forever.

I framed my house myself, took me a month or more to get it dry inside. built in 9 months start-finish. When I added the garage, took me about a year. Same with my barn.

attached link is my neighbors modular being set.
 

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   / Modular or stick built? #50  
I think you've gotten some good advice here. As it's been pointed out, there are crappy builders and there are good builders. I would look for a good builder. We looked at a good modular and a good stick builder. It was an easy decision for us. The ONLY reason we would have gone with the stick builder was if we wanted a floor plan that couldn't be done with a stick builder. The stick builder was very good and had a great reputation. When we sat down with him and his son. The son did his best as a salesman, but after talking with us, the dad had to explain to his son that it wouldn't make sense for us to go with them. Our design was a rectangle with a bump out morning room. It was going to be about $120/sq. ft. stick or $70 modular.

We were able to get lots of up grades and the standard quality of Ritz-Craft was pretty good to begin with. I had a co-worker at the time with a very negative though of modular homes come over to see my place. After giving a complete tour, I pointed out to her the one difference of the house because it was a modular (thicker center wall). She said, "Oh my gosh! I forgot all about that you were showing me a modular home." She was very impressed. I did the radiant floor heat myself and contracted with a top notch hardwood floor place, but everything else is from the GC and Ritz-craft. Be careful if you choice radiant floors with hardwoods. There are certain precautions/restrictions you need to take.

As for sq. footage versus quality. That's a personal preference. With a full basement, put in either a walk out basement, or a second entrance from the garage. That way you could furnish it later for more living space if you need it. I choose quality as I don't want to touch or look at crap everyday. The few places we saved on money (few rooms of linoleum) we will upgrade as needed.
 

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