NX4510 HSTC Pricing

[paulfun9]

Oh boy, the ship is almost completely submerged, but you're still clinging to it, apparently by choice. There's a life raft right over here fellas ... It's called the USS Common Sense!

Ok, didn't really think this would be necessary because common sense should've been all that was needed, but imagine this:

A customer wants you to move, spread, and fine-grade 80 yards of topsoil. You can choose gear trans (old gear, shuttle, PS... Your choice) or HST. But the machines will be identical in every way besides trans. And, your skill level will be the same because you've got a zillion hours of experience on both tractors with their different transmissions. So now, all things are equal.

If you're being honest, and have had experience using both types of transmissions, which tractor will be more efficient at the task? It's obvious that HST will. Skills have nothing to do with which one is better FOR THAT JOB.

All things are never equal. But my answer to your question might surprise you a bit because between a power reverse and a HST it really would be which ever machine is closest to the trailer. The job will be finished in almost the same amount of time if there is no distance to move the topsoil but if the topsoil is dumped at say the roadside even an 1/8 mile away from where it needs spread and graded then I would walk the extra distance to get the shuttle and take it over the HST.

 

[TSO]

This reminds me of something my Daddy used to say...

"Son, we can't hold someone accountable for being stupid; they were born that way. But we cannot excuse ignorance, because ignorance is a choice."

 

[Deerherd]

Feelings aren't facts.

The acid test is this: Given the same operator, and otherwise identical machines that are sized appropriately for the tasks, when is the HST going to be slower than a power shuttle?

I don't own anything with an HST, so I'm not biased for or against them.

They don't make an HST tractor with the horsepower I want so it's a moot point. I have owned and operated HST tractors and done the same tasks and can accomplish a lot more work with the power shuttle than my HST tractor. I'm plowing and maintaining the same driveway. I'm plowing, discing, planting, spraying and mowing the same 37 acres and maintaining the same 40 acre wood lot.

If you are limited to the size of tractor due to cost, storage, property size or whatever that's one thing. But if you want to have a real contest to move/spread 80 tons of whatever count me and my power shuttle in. I won't be slower and I bet I can move more material per trip. I can also gather up some logs for a lifting/dragging event that would be fun to add to the contest.

IMHO the real acid test is to buy the biggest tractor you can afford that will move/lift/pull everything that you want in the least amount of time. They don't make an HST tractor that will do what I want it to do. If you work close to buildings, vehicles or need to get your tractor through a gate by your pool, get an HST. If you want to move more material you are going to have to buy something without an HST transmission.

I don't know, I've had a power shuttle for 3 years and I still think that a HST is better suited for what I'm doing. I definitely feel that I am losing productivity by not having a HST. Maybe in 10 years I'd be so used to it that I wouldn't feel that way.

Buy the Kioti 4510 with HST, you will be happier.

 

[TSO]

They don't make an HST tractor with the horsepower I want so it's a moot point. I have owned and operated HST tractors and done the same tasks and can accomplish a lot more work with the power shuttle than my HST tractor. I'm plowing and maintaining the same driveway. I'm plowing, discing, planting, spraying and mowing the same 37 acres and maintaining the same 40 acre wood lot.

If you are limited to the size of tractor due to cost, storage, property size or whatever that's one thing. But if you want to have a real contest to move/spread 80 tons of whatever count me and my power shuttle in. I won't be slower and I bet I can move more material per trip. I can also gather up some logs for a lifting/dragging event that would be fun to add to the contest.

For your uses, shuttle definitely seems to be the way to go.

But, I think you're missing the point. Yes, naturally a much larger tractor can move bulk material faster than a smaller tractor, regardless of transmission.

But if the tractor size is equal, then the task dictates which transmission is better. For the work you do, I would much rather have a larger PS tractor, because it would be more efficient at the ground engagement/field work you describe. I disc'ed about 7 acres of unbroken pasture last year. My tractor did it, but i would have been more efficient for that task if my tractor was a PS. Luckily, that's not a typical task for me.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Rocky, that was a joke in that once you go to a certain size in HP, HST is not available. You HAVE to choose something else transmission wise.

My point is this, once you get used to a Power Shuttle, in no way do you feel you are losing anything over an HST. Other than the high pitched whining of course.

Meanwhile, the entire world is running toward CVT transmissions because they are always in the right gear running the engine where it is most efficient for any given load.

 

[TSO]

Meanwhile, the entire world is running toward CVT transmissions because they are always in the right gear running the engine where it is most efficient for any given load.

I wouldn't mind CVT, IF they designed the pedal to handle seamless direction changes like hydro. Reading users comments and watching vids, there's seems to be a transitional pause after you shuttle the direction lever. If they worked that out in a CUT, then that would be amazing.

I just saw that NH is expanding their CVT CUT line, with cab or open station. I wouldn't mind checking one out to see if they've improved on their CVT.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I wouldn't mind CVT, IF they designed the pedal to handle seamless direction changes like hydro. Reading users comments and watching vids, there's seems to be a transitional pause after you shuttle the direction lever. If they worked that out in a CUT, then that would be amazing.

I just saw that NH is expanding their CVT CUT line, with cab or open station. I wouldn't mind checking one out to see if they've improved on their CVT.

I do not like the boomer's CVT shuttle mounted on the steering column for forward and back. A dual pedal like our HST is my preference since pedals allow the hands to do other things like steer, throw switches, and manipulate levers.

 

[gladehound]

The answer is never, can anybody argue that?

Many already have. Check my previous posts.

 

[paulfun9]

This reminds me of something my Daddy used to say...

"Son, we can't hold someone accountable for being stupid; they were born that way. But we cannot excuse ignorance, because ignorance is a choice."

So now look who is resorting to insulting remarks!

Fact is fact for me and the fact is that I can grade with a Shuttle just as fast as I can with a HST. Snow blowing with the HST is only slightly more advantageous when the blower is improperly sized to the machine (too big). Moving anything a distance to accomplish the task the shuttle gets the job done faster

So I will let you in on what my Grandfather used to say "There is a big difference between an operator and someone who can get the machine to do a little work" Clearly by your posts and lack of any real experience with a gear or shuttle you could never be considered an operator and therefore will never be able to understand the level at witch some of us can operate a tractor or heavy equipment.

I have been running tractors and heavy equipment since before I had a bicycle and not for small landscaping jobs alone. SO based on the slight history you have given in your posts about yourself since I have been a member on this forum and your choices of machines and learning curve so far I have surmised that you sir are not even in the same ballpark as me and some of the other less vocal folks here when it comes to Operating machinery.

Is it you who just recently purchased a backhoe? DO you even have a clue as to how many of them I have owned over the years? Do you realize that not every person who is on here is new to the world of equipment or has such a limited view and understanding due to their current use as their only real experience. I have operated equipment that you haven't yet realized existed or maybe have only read about and you think your going to tell me the world is flat when we know its not! Guess what you would need to drive a tractor every day for at least 40 years to be able to even have a chance of keeping up with me with your HST for a day! And I assure you when you see what can be accomplished with the shuttle you would quickly loose your argument and go quietly away! The problem here is you use words mixed with your sentiments to try and prove your point to someone who really has the experience doing a multitude of different jobs with both systems and then some.

Being book smart is one thing but being able to put the power to the ground is an other! I have embarrassed many of folks like you who walked on to job sites thinking they knew their ____! You would not be the first one to get an education in the difference between an operator and someone who can barely run the machine!

 

[RockyNY]

I do not like the boomer's CVT shuttle mounted on the steering column for forward and back. A dual pedal like our HST is my preference since pedals allow the hands to do other things like steer, throw switches, and manipulate levers.

That's another thing I have against shuttle shift, you cannot smoothly operate a loader/third function, steer and shift direction simultaneously. That's impossible to do, unless of course you are blessed with 3 arms. With foot pedal HST, that is possible to do.