NX4510 HSTC Pricing

[TSO]

So now look who is resorting to insulting remarks!

Fact is fact for me and the fact is that I can grade with a Shuttle just as fast as I can with a HST. Snow blowing with the HST is only slightly more advantageous when the blower is improperly sized to the machine (too big). Moving anything a distance to accomplish the task the shuttle gets the job done faster

So I will let you in on what my Grandfather used to say "There is a big difference between an operator and someone who can get the machine to do a little work" Clearly by your posts and lack of any real experience with a gear or shuttle you could never be considered an operator and therefore will never be able to understand the level at witch some of us can operate a tractor or heavy equipment.

I have been running tractors and heavy equipment since before I had a bicycle and not for small landscaping jobs alone. SO based on the slight history you have given in your posts about yourself since I have been a member on this forum and your choices of machines and learning curve so far I have surmised that you sir are not even in the same ballpark as me and some of the other less vocal folks here when it comes to Operating machinery.

Is it you who just recently purchased a backhoe? DO you even have a clue as to how many of them I have owned over the years? Do you realize that not every person who is on here is new to the world of equipment or has such a limited view and understanding due to their current use as their only real experience. I have operated equipment that you haven't yet realized existed or maybe have only read about and you think your going to tell me the world is flat when we know its not! Guess what you would need to drive a tractor every day for at least 40 years to be able to even have a chance of keeping up with me with your HST for a day! And I assure you when you see what can be accomplished with the shuttle you would quickly loose your argument and go quietly away! The problem here is you use words mixed with your sentiments to try and prove your point to someone who really has the experience doing a multitude of different jobs with both systems and then some.

Being book smart is one thing but being able to put the power to the ground is an other! I have embarrassed many of folks like you who walked on to job sites thinking they knew their ____! You would not be the first one to get an education in the difference between an operator and someone who can barely run the machine!

I agree with your grandfather, sounds like a smart man.

But don't give yourself a heart attack there tiger. I'm not insulting you. I'm saying that you're choosing to be ignorant.

Nope, I don't have a backhoe, not yet. Was looking into them, and I'd like one, but haven't pulled the trigger.

And to reiterate the entire point ... I absolutely guarantee that, depending on the task, with equal machines... you with a shuttle could beat me with an HST. And I also guarantee that with other tasks (fine precision work), and with equal machines... Me with HST would beat you with a shuttle. Each has it's strengths. That's why they both exist! I don't think anyone here is silly enough to think that HST is better than shuttle at EVERYTHING... Because it's not. But it is better at SOME things.

The fact that you can't comprehend this is perplexing.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Don't add a backhoe to a tractor or get a loader backhoe. An excavator is the way to go because an excavator is faster than a loader backhoe.

Also, you can add demo of buildings to your business because you needn't worry about flats.

Moreover, there is less of a need for a cab on an excavator since hardly anybody digs into frozen ground.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

That's another thing I have against shuttle shift, you cannot smoothly operate a loader/third function, steer and shift direction simultaneously. That's impossible to do, unless of course you are blessed with 3 arms. With foot pedal HST, that is possible to do.

Too bad we don't all have a third arm, after all the best thing about a third arm would be that it doesn't have an opinion when helping. :laughing:

 

[GManBart]

They don't make an HST tractor with the horsepower I want so it's a moot point.

The discussion isn't about you, or the tractor you want. It's about comparing two otherwise identical machines, so it's not a moot point, you just can't find a way to disprove the question I posed.

I have owned and operated HST tractors and done the same tasks and can accomplish a lot more work with the power shuttle than my HST tractor. I'm plowing and maintaining the same driveway. I'm plowing, discing, planting, spraying and mowing the same 37 acres and maintaining the same 40 acre wood lot.

This is the sort of stuff people claim, but then they don't give the actual facts. Didn't you move to a larger machine when you bought your LS? That means you're back to comparing a larger power shuttle machine to a smaller HST machine...apples-to-oranges.

But if you want to have a real contest to move/spread 80 tons of whatever count me and my power shuttle in. I won't be slower and I bet I can move more material per trip. I can also gather up some logs for a lifting/dragging event that would be fun to add to the contest.

Again, you're not getting it. Comparing your larger power shuttle tractor to a smaller HST tractor isn't what we're talking about. Take any common CUT available with both HST and power shuttle, and put the same operator on them, and see who gets the material spread faster...it won't be with the power shuttle.

IMHO the real acid test is to buy the biggest tractor you can afford that will move/lift/pull everything that you want in the least amount of time. They don't make an HST tractor that will do what I want it to do. If you work close to buildings, vehicles or need to get your tractor through a gate by your pool, get an HST. If you want to move more material you are going to have to buy something without an HST transmission.

That's a budget test, not an acid test. I've said it before, I don't own anything with an HST now, so I'm not for or against them, but they have distinct advantages that can't be ignored, no matter how much you dislike them. There's a reason why many large wheel loaders, and other similar machines have HST transmissions now...it makes them more productive.

 

[holeycow]

This is a great thread! I can't help myself;

The precision thing is utter BS. That I am sure of.

The easier thing, that I believe. Learn how to drive.
Unless you have physical limitations, sorry about that.

I can really see the ease of use dealio being nice in small machines, but as we approach 60hp and the rx ps series, I can't see why anyone would choose an nx unless there are overhead space limitations. Smaller tires on an rx may even cover that.....please support the rx series as I want one when I downsize (and they are the best of the kioti line and the only tractor Kioti builds that realistically competes with almost everything on the market notwithstanding price). I have a motive.....

in commercial applications, every minute counts, but do the math on the forward and back thing; it doesn't add up to much, if anything for your average user.

Now, if you need to be sipping a drink while you're working that changes everything......

 

[TSO]

This is a great thread! I can't help myself;

The precision thing is utter BS. That I am sure of.

The easier thing, that I believe. Learn how to drive.
Unless you have physical limitations, sorry about that.

I can really see the ease of use dealio being nice in small machines, but as we approach 60hp and the rx ps series, I can't see why anyone would choose an nx unless there are overhead space limitations. Smaller tires on an rx may even cover that.....

in commercial applications, every minute counts, but do the math on the forward and back thing; it doesn't add up to much, if anything for your average user.

Now, if you need to be sipping a drink while you're working that changes everything......

You may just have cognitive limitations that prevent you from understanding the concept ... Not your fault, it's just the way you were made. I don't think anyone will hold that against you, or at least, they shouldn't.

And by the way, I love sipping tea while performing work with my tractor!

 

[GManBart]

The precision thing is utter BS. That I am sure of.

It really doesn't sound like you've spent any time running an HST tractor.

I know how easy it was to move an HST tractor a quarter of an inch. I know how hard it is to move a gear tractor a quarter of an inch. One is ridiculously easy, the other is much harder and nowhere near as predictable.

I gave up HST to get something much larger, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't absolutely get another HST machine if it was the size I wanted. Heck, my Massey is straight gear, so it's not like I'm anti-gear at all.

 

[holeycow]

LOL

cognitive; let me look that up.

 

[holeycow]

In the right gear, I can move 1/2 of a 1/4 inch (creeper). And no, I haven't run an HST tractor. Thus my prying questions. I ran a fancy Fendt a couple of years ago with whatever kind of transmission it had and it was annoying...that delay thing that was brought up a bit ago I think. I didn't like the way it drove or steered or anything really. But it did get me out of a bind and I was thankful for that. That machine would have been nice in the field. Except that it wasn't big enough for a field tractor around here as it was maybe 160hp or so, just a big chore tractor.

I have a couple of small chore tractors 90 and 130hp.

And, btw, I'm really pleased with the DK90 which brought me here. It's a really good machine for the money. If money were no object I'd probably have something a little fancier, like a dx1002 which isn't available because yous guys won't even embrace the rx's over the nx's. ****. How are we ever supposed to get the best that Kioti makes?

Can't even say ****, ha ha. And no its not ****

 

[gladehound]

The discussion isn't about you, or the tractor you want. It's about comparing two otherwise identical machines, so it's not a moot point, you just can't find a way to disprove the question I posed....

Again, you're not getting it. Comparing your larger power shuttle tractor to a smaller HST tractor isn't what we're talking about. .

Actually, the discussion was about NX4510 HSTC Pricing. holeycow simply ask why not the RX. He asked this becuase you can get the larger RX for a similar price. And thus the transmission debate began. Note that the original question was based on price point and comparing a larger power reverser RX to the smaller HST NX. Yes, holeycow has been a bit antagonistic. But really, you guys deserve it with the way you've behaved towards him.