NX4510 HSTC Pricing

[gladehound]

Feelings aren't facts.

The acid test is this: Given the same operator, and otherwise identical machines that are sized appropriately for the tasks, when is the HST going to be slower than a power shuttle?

I don't own anything with an HST, so I'm not biased for or against them.

Is this the question to which you refer? When is the HST going to be slower than a power shuttle? This has been covered. It puts less power to the ground. It will not pull at as high a rate of speed so any aplication that requires max power to the ground is your answer. This is true even in like machines. But at the same pice point comparing HST to a much larger shuttle there is no comparison.

By the way, you are obviously biased towards HST. And it's fine to have a preference. It doesn't mean that you can't be objective. For you and for your situation, HST obviously works best.

 

[holeycow]

it surprised me that the rx is less expensive than the nx. At least I think that is what I figured out. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[GManBart]

Actually, the discussion was about NX4510 HSTC Pricing. holeycow simply ask why not the RX. He asked this becuase you can get the larger RX for a similar price. And thus the transmission debate began. Note that the original question was based on price point and comparing a larger power reverser RX to the smaller HST NX. Yes, holeycow has been a bit antagonistic. But really, you guys deserve it with the way you've behaved towards him.

First off, I haven't been anything other than polite to holycow, so don't lump me in with anybody else.

Second, I was talking about the transmission difference discussion this evolved into since the original topic has long since go by the wayside.

 

[murphy1244]

Auto or Manual, Same discussion in the Car forums for a "True" sports car.

 

[holeycow]

yup those guys are rough and tough. At least they think so.

 

[murphy1244]

yup those guys are rough and tough. At least they think so.

Yeppers, Mercyless. I gave up.

 

[GManBart]

Is this the question to which you refer? When is the HST going to be slower than a power shuttle? This has been covered. It puts less power to the ground. It will not pull at as high a rate of speed so any aplication that requires max power to the ground is your answer. This is true even in like machines. But at the same pice point comparing HST to a much larger shuttle there is no comparison.

This is a completely false argument that you guys keep throwing out, but it doesn't hold water. If the machines are "appropriately sized" as I stated, the HST will pull the implement just as fast as the machine with the gear will. If you need max power to pull an implement, you bought a tractor that was too small...different discussion. If you sized the tractor appropriately, it would have some power and traction left over when doing it's required tasks....the gear would have a bit more left over...that's all.

By the way, you are obviously biased towards HST. And it's fine to have a preference. It doesn't mean that you can't be objective. For you and for your situation, HST obviously works best.

Sorry, this is a ridiculous statement. I am biased towards HST for some things, not everything. If I was really biased towards them, I'd still own one, but I don't.

 

[holeycow]

Yeppers, Mercyless. I gave up.

yup, I did too. But then I re-grouped....silly me

 

[holeycow]

I came in trolling for a minnow and caught a barracuda. It seems that the barracudas are quite touchy about their choices......almost insecure really.

 

[gladehound]

First off, I haven't been anything other than polite to holycow, so don't lump me in with anybody else.

Second, I was talking about the transmission difference discussion this evolved into since the original topic has long since go by the wayside.

My sincere appologies. You are right, I can't think of anything that you wrote that was disrespectfull.

As for the discussion that this evolved into, it seems to me that the pro HST crowd wants to compare like machines and the pro power reverser crowd wants to compare like price machines. This split seems to be present throughout the thread. If at some point all agreed that we were only debating like for like machines please point that out.

In response to gear tractors being better for pulling you wrote:

Originally Posted by gladehound
This is a completely false argument that you guys keep throwing out, but it doesn't hold water. If the machines are "appropriately sized" as I stated, the HST will pull the implement just as fast as the machine with the gear will. If you need max power to pull an implement, you bought a tractor that was too small...different discussion. If you sized the tractor appropriately, it would have some power and traction left over when doing it's required tasks....the gear would have a bit more left over...that's all.

Isn't it logical that if you have a bit more left over you could either go a bit faster or use an implement that was a bit larger? Either way you get more done. Please clarify what is false about this logic.

And finally:

Sorry, this is a ridiculous statement. I am biased towards HST for some things, not everything. If I was really biased towards them, I'd still own one, but I don't.

Previously you stated that if you could get one in the size tractor you require you "Absolutely" would. Check Post #177. You said you gave up HST to go to something much larger. Sounds like you prefer the HST.

My only purpose in posting this stuff is to keep the logic clean for future readers.

Is should also be noted that the PR may be faster on rough loader tasks. I'd be hard pressed to equal my speed when moving snow with an HST because of the power loss. I can change directions faster with the PR and I've only had one for a few months (I did have manual shuttles before). The HSTs I've used just bog if you change too fast. I'm not refering to all HSTs because I haven't driven them all. But the four I've used can't change direction as fast as my PR. Yes, this is only my experience. no I didn't time them it is only my opinion. And it is just as valid as anyone elses experience or opinion and should be noted for future readers trying to make a decission.