Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals

   / Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #41  
In 1978 California voters passed Proposition 13 which limited property taxes. The property is assessed at the sales price for the property and can only be increased by 2% per year. If you bought your house in say 1979, that is your assessed value plus the 2% per year increase. It stays locked. Nice huh?
Well if you had three percent inflation in both prices and your income or better then you would make out. But if they falsely jack up the value of your home( Community reinvestment act) then two percent of a false number is a rip off.
 
   / Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #42  
The median price for homes in 1978 vs today in an increase of right at 500%. I believe that the 2% per year increase in taxes over 35 years is one heck of a bargain.
 
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   / Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #44  
In 1978 California voters passed Proposition 13 which limited property taxes. The property is assessed at the sales price for the property and can only be increased by 2% per year. If you bought your house in say 1979, that is your assessed value plus the 2% per year increase. It stays locked. Nice huh?

No, I'd say that is a very bad unsustainable poorly thought out Proposition. NYS recently passed a 2% tax cap, but it was just a political game. If the town's existing costs go up 10% (say fuel/energy) in one year, how do they handle the 2% property tax? You might say, they make cuts elsewhere. Here our county (2nd highest taxes in the nation) sends us a listing of the cost of all state unfunded mandates when they send the tax bill. The tax income is completely spoken for. It's illegal for them to make cuts.
 
   / Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #45  
We purchased our current home through what Zillow calls a "Make Me Move" listing. The sellers did not have an agent and the home was not on the MLS.

We worked with a couple of Realtors over the course of our most recent home search. We had very specific wants and looked on and off for a couple years.

We never seriously looked at a house that a realtor found for us. Anytime a realtor took us to a home, it wouldn't meet at least a couple of our criteria. I'm really disillusioned by the real-estate process. I feel like more open access to the MLS system and some clever third-party entrepreneurs could really turn the system around. Photographers to handle the pictures, a service to handle the showings, and someone to fill out the paperwork shouldn't cost 7%.

I worked with a realtor when I purchased my previous home. Like you, I had a detailed list of criteria. I had looked for a year, and this realtor found the property in only two weeks. It wasn't an easy transaction, as there were IRS leans against the house, and the property was distressed, but he worked with me to come up with a realistic offer that reflected the home's condition and that was still well below market value. He handled issues with the seller, arranged for title search, and eventually closed the deal. Clear and responsive communication between he and I at every step was key to making this happen.

When I sold that home in '10, the same realtor helped me set a price that was slightly below market which actually caused a bidding war in what was supposed to be a buyer's market. As a result the selling price was far enough above market value to pay for his commission. I was no longer living in the same area at the time, and he handled all of the pre-sale details, including arranging for a final cleaning before the open houses. This realtor always returned phone calls within a half day, usually within a few minutes, if he didn't just answer the phone after a ring or two. He also answered emails with clear and concise information.

I searched for a new home in '12 & '13, and had bad experiences with both the new realtors I worked with. I pre-screened each house against my criteria prior to arranging to see the home with the realtor, but I, not the realtor, found the homes as we were both working off the same MLS listings. I was disappointed that there were so few homes on the market, and that the realtors didn't have access to some "secret squirrel" list of homes that weren't on the MLS. I was never called with a "fresh" listing that hadn't come through their agency before it hit the MLS. I had trouble with the inspection and repair services they recommended, and found many inaccuracies in their information when I did my due diligence.

I never really appreciated how good that first realtor was until the trials and tribulations over the '12-'13 time frame. Those realtors were really bad, and failed in many of the same ways that are warned about in the latest (March '15) issue of Consumer Reports. Some of that was probably due to the market, some due to the area, but I put most of the blame on the realtors (I switched mid way to try to find someone better).

Maybe things have changed drastically in '14 and '15, but not once did I find any listings in Zillow that were helpful. But the real point I'm making here is that there is a lot more to a real estate transaction than taking pictures, publishing a listing, and filling out paperwork.

Perhaps we've wandered so far off the Assessed Value subject of this thread that another covering this topic should be started?
 
   / Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #46  
In 1978 California voters passed Proposition 13 which limited property taxes. The property is assessed at the sales price for the property and can only be increased by 2% per year. If you bought your house in say 1979, that is your assessed value plus the 2% per year increase. It stays locked. Nice huh?

Yes... it is and one of the few areas the taxpayers of California had some predictability...

However, voter approved special assessments are on top of Prop 13 1% statewide rate... in my city the rate is close to 1.7%... so the voters here have been very generous. I have made appeals and won when the assessor said my purchase price was below market... always fishing these guys.

Now, Washington State is where my problems are... 80% tax increase over the price I paid 18 months prior... what a shock and not much I could do about it since it was all based on an outlandish price someone paid for a parcel in the area... he even went bankrupt later... after the damage was done... so now I pay $13k a year there...
 
   / Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #47  
That's not how it worked when I purchased this home in CA in '10. The assessed price was what ever the assessor felt it was worth. I had to appeal the assessment to get it down to the actual selling price. Now they're increasing the value each year, but have stayed under the 2% limit so far.

Seems like there are attempts to repeal Prop 13 every year, and I'm happy that they've been unsuccessful. I don't see how people on a fixed income can hang onto their homes in a rising property tax environment.

That's because Prop 13 uses the "Fair Market Value" at the time of transfer... which may or may not be the sales price and assessors are notorious for dismissing any "Distress" sale...

I've had to go around and around on purchases too... thankfully I prevailed... even had multiple visits one year... the assessor said the property was low because it needed work... I agreed and said I will let you know when I do the work and they kept checking back... still have the Formica counters and Lino floors from 1958
 
   / Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #48  
No, I'd say that is a very bad unsustainable poorly thought out Proposition. NYS recently passed a 2% tax cap, but it was just a political game. If the town's existing costs go up 10% (say fuel/energy) in one year, how do they handle the 2% property tax? You might say, they make cuts elsewhere. Here our county (2nd highest taxes in the nation) sends us a listing of the cost of all state unfunded mandates when they send the tax bill. The tax income is completely spoken for. It's illegal for them to make cuts.


I was too young to have voted for Prop 13 when it passed... I am thankful everyday for those that did!

Prop 13 came about at a time of double digit property tax increases at the same time as the energy crisis and employment turmoil...

It was a grass roots effort spurred in part because of the Serrano ruling where by the State took over all school funding... it was one thing to pay high local property taxes supporting local schools and another when the local money was syphoned off and spent hundreds of miles away...

Prop 13 passed with a grass roots effort because politicians failed to act and some even publicly said they would leave it up to the voters...

Prop 13 has withstood every challenge all the way to the US Supreme Court...

Remember... it is not like Californians don't already pay just about every known tax... far more than neighboring states... Oregon has no Sales Tax which is 10% here and Washington and Nevada have no personal Income Tax...

All that is necessary to increase property taxes is for 55% voter approval for school infrastructure or 2/3 for everything else...

Imagine that... having to get voter support before raising taxes...

One more thing... Prop 13 has almost eliminated corruption and sweetheart deals to those with influence... it was so bad the assessors committed suicide and other went to prison...

The Beauty of Prop 13 is volumes of tax code were replaced by a few short paragraphs that anyone can understand...
 
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Just an update. I've filled out the "protest form" and prepared an attachment with three recent comparable sales (one is the property directly behind mine). I have an appointment scheduled for Tuesday evening to present my case. I have to deliver four copies of the form and supporting documentation by the end of the week.
 

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